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Iraqi Elections III

A conversation with my dad reminds me that I've been taking the wrong line on these elections. Try this instead:

The vote was a stunning success. The war's critics have been completely discredited. Democracy is here! The war is won! George W. Bush is a genius! Time to bring the victorious troops home for a ticker tape parade. Democracy has happened, we were wrong, Bush was right, the war is won, and now it should be done with.

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Comments

"Bush was right, the war is won, and now it should be done with."

Damn straight. Hand the keys over to Sistani, and get the hell out.

Too bad we need the bases for the next war...

Posted by: Petey | Jan 30, 2005 11:15:22 AM

No, that doesn't work either. Kind of humorous watching you struggling for the appropriate response, tho.

Posted by: Al | Jan 30, 2005 11:15:29 AM

ALTHOUGH - I will say, if you think we should just leave Iraq by driving our tanks due east, that would be fine.

Posted by: Al | Jan 30, 2005 11:16:32 AM

You know, there is a middle ground between complete cynicism and unrestrained ebullience. Also, I don't know why you need to include a sarcastic cut of our troops in your ticker-tape parade comment.

Posted by: Fish | Jan 30, 2005 11:20:56 AM

You take the lead tank - we'll catch up shortly

Posted by: Trust Me | Jan 30, 2005 11:21:29 AM

I agree. The silver lining in Bush's re-election is that it's politically easier for Bush to declare victory and go home than it would have been for Kerry.

Of course, it's people like Al who plan foreign policy for this administration, so don't get your hopes up.

Posted by: zwichenzug | Jan 30, 2005 11:21:39 AM

"The silver lining in Bush's re-election is that it's politically easier for Bush to declare victory and go home than it would have been for Kerry."

It would be easier ... if he wanted to ... which he doesn't...

Too bad we need the bases for the next war.

Posted by: Petey | Jan 30, 2005 11:24:43 AM

"ALTHOUGH - I will say, if you think we should just leave Iraq by driving our tanks due east, that would be fine."

Only if Al is in the lead tank.

Posted by: SavageView | Jan 30, 2005 11:33:59 AM

Al:

Do you mean drive the tanks east, through Iran and Afghanistan into Pakistan where the dictator Musharraf is hosting bin Laden, mass murderer, and AQ Khan, who did more to spread nukes than any other man?

No, Kool-Aid kid, spreading nukes to terrorists and slaughtering Americans aren't important to you, you have been given other marching orders:

The US is at war with Iran.
The US has always been at war with Iran.

Posted by: epistemology | Jan 30, 2005 11:42:29 AM

So the standard now is that, whatever we advocate our government do, we must personally do?

I see. So you all - who presumably advocate more healthcare for the uninsured, right? - are donating all of your money to the uninsured, no? If not, then don't ever advocate we do anything for the uninsured, OK?

Posted by: Al | Jan 30, 2005 11:43:42 AM

Epistemology: Well, let's get to Iran first. THEN we can decide where to go next.

Posted by: Al | Jan 30, 2005 11:44:57 AM

I think we ought to invade you, Al.

Posted by: Petey | Jan 30, 2005 11:48:01 AM

Yes the meme is:

Bush's nation-building is a wonderful thing.
But let's not turn Iraq into a welfare queen.
Iraqis must stand on their own two feet.
They can't expect our government to do everything for them.

Let's privatize Iraq.
Don't make social security in Iraq depend on the US government.
We want an ownership society for Iraq.
Let Iraqis make their security their own.

Posted by: epistemology | Jan 30, 2005 11:48:03 AM

*So the standard now is that, whatever we advocate our government do, we must personally do?*

Well, you did call them "our" tanks. They're not my tanks. I drive a Honda.

Posted by: alex | Jan 30, 2005 11:52:00 AM

"Well, you did call them "our" tanks. They're not my tanks. I drive a Honda."

Like it or not, ownership of those tanks is in your name and mine.

Posted by: Petey | Jan 30, 2005 11:54:10 AM

Al:

You mean, the US is sort of like a boxer coming out of the retirement of being run by the wimpy Democrats, and we need to warm up for the big fight in Pakistan with a few minor bouts with Iraq and Iran?

Then after Pakistan, on to China! They raise the yuan vs. the dollar or we pound them back into the stone age. What's the point of a dominant army if you don't use it to help our businesses?

Posted by: epistemology | Jan 30, 2005 11:55:27 AM

Oh Fatherland, Fatherland,
Show us the sign
Your children have waited to see.
The morning will come
When the world is mine.
Tomorrow belongs to me!

Posted by: Petey | Jan 30, 2005 12:01:34 PM

Wolfowitz Uber Alles!

Posted by: Petey | Jan 30, 2005 12:04:30 PM

Listening to Fox and CNN this morning you would think that something amazing has happened. Just because there wasn't mass death today--just a normal number of suicide bombings and attacks--it was successful? The country has been locked down for three days. The borders have been closed, even internally, no private cars on the road.

I do not for a minute believe that there was anywhere near 72% voter turnout (whatever that means) in Iraq. There were no independent poll watchers in the country. The potentional for fraud is incalculable.

Posted by: Freder Frederson | Jan 30, 2005 12:17:27 PM

Am I the only one who refuses on principle to be "inspired" by choreographed events?

Posted by: Paul Callahan | Jan 30, 2005 12:25:58 PM

Well, let's get to Iran first. THEN we can decide where to go next.

That royal 'we' again, Al?

You're headed for active duty as a tank commander, Al? Or you're still a chickenhawk, Al?

Go enlist, you cowardly fuck.

And I agree that Al would make great tank asphalt.

Posted by: ahem | Jan 30, 2005 12:30:50 PM

I do not for a minute believe that there was anywhere near 72% voter turnout (whatever that means) in Iraq. There were no independent poll watchers in the country. The potentional for fraud is incalculable.

What the hell does that last sentence even mean? "The potentional for fraud is incalculable" could apply to any election on earth. Voter turnout means percentage of eligible voters voting. UN observers are monitoring results : http://iafrica.com/news/worldnews/409087.htm. The reality based community hard at work I see.

Posted by: Calamity Jean | Jan 30, 2005 12:32:34 PM

Freder,

Evidently the so-called Independent (sic) Election Commission revised the number downward to 60%, which MAY be somewhat accurate, though anything that comes from the so-called "Iraqi" so-called "government" is suspect. The "Iraqi government", including the Election Commission is a branch of the Bush administration after all.

What will be interesting now is to see how the occupying power - i.e. the Bush administration - will secure its control over the assembly. I believe they started this process weeks if not months ago by putting pressure on the so-called "Sistani list" over the withdrawal issue.

Posted by: Shirin | Jan 30, 2005 12:36:55 PM

The debate should never have been about the benefit of elections, or freedom and liberty, nor should it have been about predicting what the outcome of this war would be. The debate should always have been about the traitorous and criminal act of falsifying intelligence data, hoodwinking the American people into a war. Kerry said it was arrogant. That doesn't go far enough. Boxer said they were lies. That doesn't go far enough. They were crimes against America. The administration used falsified evidence to overstate its case in order to bring Iraq into competition with the general interest of America. In our democracy, that's a crime, no matter what the outcome of the Iraq war.

Posted by: poputonian | Jan 30, 2005 12:37:13 PM

My heartfelt condolances to you lefties. This has to be a dark day for you.

But, keep hope alive: The Iraqies still need to compromise on a constitution and hold two more elections before the permanent government is in place...plenty of time for insurrgents to undermine the process.

Posted by: Robert Brown | Jan 30, 2005 12:38:23 PM

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