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Now There's A Rightwinger

Like many other Jewish liberals, I've been vaguely distressed by recent outbreaks of philo-semitism on the American right. Me, I like my conservatives cartoonish and evil, not merely misguided in their policy views. Thankfully, here's one conservative blogger who won't be invited to my next Dominican Manishevitz tasting:

I'd never understood how the medieval kings found it so easy to get the common people to hate the Jews in their midst. But if those medieval Jewish leaders were anything like the idiots running the ADL, the ACLU and the Council of Jews, one can see where the idea of persecuting them would have held some appeal.
This because the pushy Jews took umbrage at certain Catholic leaders' proclivity for comparing legal abortion to Adolf Hitler's systematic effort to kill the entire Jewish people. It's from a post called "The Merits of Anti-Semitism." Jewish groups, we're told, "wish to make make a profession out of running around screaming 'never forget' while simultaneously ignoring or even supporting the very same sort of evil being unleashed in places like the Sudan and the abortion clinics around the world." The phrase is "never again," as in the American Jewish Committee's radio commentary "Does 'Never Again' Have Any Meaning Today?" concluding "If the words 'never again' are to have any meaning today, then Sudan is the place to prove it." Here's the Anti-Defamation League's extensive commentary on Sudan. The author, according to the byline on his nationally syndicated column, is a member of Mensa as well as "a novelist and Christian libertarian." Meanwhile, I'm not quite sure I understand how the ACLU got lumped in as a Jewish organization.

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I'm not quite sure I understand how the ACLU got lumped in as a Jewish organization.

Well, it allows Jews to join, doesn't it? So it's not a Christian organization.

Posted by: David Vacca | Jan 12, 2005 11:11:51 AM

You knew that one was coming. You don't get a bunch of Christians whipped up in a sectarian frenzy with a bunch of anti-Muslim propaganda straight from the crusades and expect them to stay on target.

Posted by: absynthe | Jan 12, 2005 11:14:31 AM

Thanks for mixing anti-Leftism with anti-Semitism, Matt.

Posted by: Al | Jan 12, 2005 11:20:17 AM

Meanwhile, I'm not quite sure I understand how the ACLU got lumped in as a Jewish organization.

Oh, you know, odds are, right?

Posted by: Kriston | Jan 12, 2005 11:20:39 AM

To add to what I said above:

Despite what the Left may tell you the first (anti-Leftism) doesn't indicate the latter (anti-Semitism).

Posted by: Al | Jan 12, 2005 11:22:11 AM

To add to Al's said above:

Willful misinterpretations and fallacious assertions do not indicate a valid argument.

Despite what the Right might tell you

Posted by: patrick | Jan 12, 2005 11:28:12 AM

"The Left" doesn't have to tell us anything. No one is sending around The Memo.
Res ipsa loquitur.

Posted by: C.J.Colucci | Jan 12, 2005 11:28:58 AM

Fuck you, Al.

Moving on, what's the Council of Jews, and can I join?

Posted by: praktike | Jan 12, 2005 11:29:58 AM

In the spirit of reconciliation, I give you this stirring defence of the Jewish people from a comment in that same thread:

"For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places."

Keep in mind that the "spiritual hosts of wickedness" take great delight in perverting and destroying everything that God has created. Therefore God's chosen people have been a priority target for millennia. I'd suggest being careful of becoming someone that looks down on the Jewish people - instead pray for them.

"I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: 'The deliverer will come from Zion; He will turn godlessness away from Jacob. And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins.'" (Romans 11:25-27)
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Posted by: WillieStyle | Jan 12, 2005 11:30:14 AM

I, being a woman and foolish enough to click on the link to this misguided individual's column, was pretty horrified by this statement:

"American society does not need even one more woman lawyer, professor or junior executive. Frivolous lawsuits will be filed, students will be brainwashed with leftist propaganda, and tedious Powerpoint demonstrations will be assembled with or without female assistance. Instead, what American society needs is women strong enough to be the anchors of their marriages, the foundation of their children's lives and the bedrock of our civilization."

So, presumably women are incapable of being good wives/mothers and professionals, male contribution in the professions is more valid, and men bear no responsibility for their marriages and children?

In response, I'd like to argue that: American society doesn't need even one more male conservative pundit, politician, hill staffer, or CEO. Idiotic, antisemitic, and mysogynistic ideas can be perpetuated, corporate abuses and shady accounting perpetrated, civil rights and the social safety net dismantled, with no male assistance. What we really need are men who are willing to grow up and learn how to care about others and function in relationships, take responsibility for children they may father, and learn how to be invested in their children's lives. Oh, and stop whining about how they now have to compete with women or trying to control women's bodies and life decisions.

Also hysterical, given the substance of the post (which seems to argue all women should really be home minding the fire, barefoot and pregnant), on my computer there's an ad for otho evra birth control smack in the middle of that. Take that, Vox Day!

Posted by: flip | Jan 12, 2005 11:31:04 AM

The Council of Jews is a German organization that complained when the Bishop of Köln compared legal abortion to the Holocaust.

Posted by: Drew | Jan 12, 2005 11:35:41 AM

Well, Al, I have my own problems with the ADL (which revolve around their things like giving awards to holocaust denier and admirer or Mussolini Berlusconi because he is an orthodox zionist or touting an anti-Muslim bigot like Pipes and pretending to be some sort of civil rights organization) and I would reject the idea that my ill will towards especially Abe Foxman's ADL is inspired by an anti-semitic bias but what do you make out of lumping in the ACLU?

It's not a Jewish organization in any appreciable way and is actually frequently at odds with the ADL but the idea that it is a Jewish organization is a staple of American Jewish conspiracy theory.

Posted by: absynthe | Jan 12, 2005 11:39:55 AM

You ever notice how much nasty shit in the right wing blogosphere is titled "The merits of *fill in nasty shit here*?

The merits of torture, the merits of death squads, the merits of whatever. These people are sheer evil and they like being sheer evil. They enjoy being assholes and they seem to have to keep reaching out further and further into evil to get the same rush when they hash out some rationalization of their evil.


Posted by: absynthe | Jan 12, 2005 11:58:25 AM

I think everyone here is missing what I think is the linked post's actual point (It's written from a fairly bigoted perspective, so maybe misreading it is somewhat warranted).

The objection is not that the Jewish establishment doesn't believe the Holocaust is equatable to worldwide abortions; I think that belief is fairly uncontroversial. What is setting this Vox character off is that they don't even think anyone should be allowed to suggest such a thing, and if they do, they should apologize for it!

Now you and I may not agree with such a notion. But if one believes that abortion is the enormous eradication of an innocent class of people, isn't that at least in someways similar to the Holocaust? And shouldn't someone be able to suggest such a comparison without being demanded to apologize?

Posted by: right | Jan 12, 2005 12:01:34 PM

You gotta love this guy, though, if only his asinine photo. With any luck he'll start a trend among conservative bloggers.

Posted by: Arch Stanton | Jan 12, 2005 12:03:18 PM

Arch,

Thanks for pointing out the foto. That sheds new insight on his apparent obsession in current linked column with need for all women to get married, drop out of workforce and form "bedrock" of marriage, children and civilization--guess he figures that's his best chance to get some.

sad, sad.

Posted by: flip | Jan 12, 2005 12:24:21 PM

And shouldn't someone be able to suggest such a comparison without being demanded to apologize?

No, of course not. Abortion is a political issue--a very passionate one, but a political one nonetheless, where there are a range of differing opinions that have to be respected as being legitimate, even if one vehemently disagrees with them. The Holocaust is not such an issue.

Posted by: Haggai | Jan 12, 2005 12:27:11 PM

The Council of Jews is a German organization that complained when the Bishop of Köln compared legal abortion to the Holocaust.

The actual comparison wasn't a 1:1 comparison between abortion and the Holocaust; it was a reference to a series of evils -- Herod's slaughter of the innocents, Stalin's mass murders, the Holocaust -- with abortion as the most recent. The actual complaint was, I think, a bit hysterical; while it would be, of course, way out of line to, as the complaint says, "equate" abortion with the Holocaust; it is equally out of line to equate grouping abortion with a series of historical evils of clearly varying magnitude which includes but is not limited to the Holocaust with equating abortion with the Holocaust.

OTOH, the blog post in response to that complaint is even more out of line than the complaint, or the original sermon, or even what the original sermon would have been if the complaint was an accurate portrayal.

Posted by: cmdicely | Jan 12, 2005 12:40:28 PM

The objection is not that the Jewish establishment doesn't believe the Holocaust is equatable to worldwide abortions; I think that belief is fairly uncontroversial. What is setting this Vox character off is that they don't even think anyone should be allowed to suggest such a thing, and if they do, they should apologize for it!

I dunno that it is unreasonable to ask people to retract statements that are clearly wrong; if the belief that such an equation is wrong is fairly uncontroversial, then the belief that people who make the equation ought to be asked to apologize for it, and ought to apologize for doing so, ought to be equally uncontroversial.

AFAIK, the statement that they think "no one should be allowed to" make such a statement is hyperbolic. Having others exercise their free speech right to criticize your speech is not the same thing as not being allowed to make it.

Posted by: cmdicely | Jan 12, 2005 12:43:22 PM

Abortion is a political issue--a very passionate one, but a political one nonetheless, where there are a range of differing opinions that have to be respected as being legitimate, even if one vehemently disagrees with them. The Holocaust is not such an issue.

The Holocaust is only different in one uncontroversial respect: its past history, not a present political issue. It is different in terms of the class of issue it is in no other way that is not based on rejecting the legitimacy of one side of the abortion debate in a way which you suggest cannot be done because of the class of issue that abortion is; IOW, your suggestion of the kind of difference that exists is based on exactly the kind of rejection of legitimacy of one side that you say can't be done.

Posted by: cmdicely | Jan 12, 2005 12:47:07 PM

Haggai,

"Abortion is a political issue--a very passionate one, but a political one nonetheless, where there are a range of differing opinions that have to be respected as being legitimate, even if one vehemently disagrees with them. The Holocaust is not such an issue."

I am about as sympathetic to the type of Christians Vox Day is as I am to Holocaust deniers. That said, the people comparing abortion to the Holocaust are not saying the Holocaust didn't happen; it's not primarily an opinion about the Holocaust but rather an opinion about abortion.

Are comparisons to the Holocaust completely forbidden? How about the Armenian genocide or the Tutsi one, does the same rule apply? Whether or not they happened and their immorality is not really an open question.

Posted by: WeSaferThemHealthier | Jan 12, 2005 12:50:00 PM

cmdicely, I can only barely decipher what you're talking about, but let me put it another way: abortion is a controversial issue that requires reasonable people to respect each other's views. Equating your opponent's views on that issue with the Holocaust is, to put it mildly, not respectful. It's "you're as wrong as the Nazis were." That's a disgusting insult, not an argument.

Posted by: Haggai | Jan 12, 2005 12:51:52 PM

WeSafer--we're in agreement here, my earlier post just wasn't all that clear on what argument I was making. The one right before this is more fleshed out.

Posted by: Haggai | Jan 12, 2005 12:53:25 PM

I rather suspect there was a "range of differing opinions" about marching people into death camps in Nazi Germany, too, though people on the anti-side might have been a bit careful about expressing those opinions.

Posted by: Brett Bellmore | Jan 12, 2005 12:53:56 PM

Haggai,

Right, I just saw it and I understood what you meant.

And yes, Dicely, you make good arguments that would gain from not being phrased in a lawyer-y way.

Posted by: WeSaferThemHealthier | Jan 12, 2005 12:55:56 PM

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