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Ah, yes, when blogging meets conservatism one can just idly toss off allegations of treason and so forth. Has anyone inquired into the possibility that the campaign to get America to invade Iraq was dictated from Teheran? It seems to me self-evident that many neoconservatives would think this was a good idea on its own. But that doesn't exclude the fact that the mullahs would want it too.

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Comments

Did the Rosenbergs and Alger Hiss exist, or am I just imagining that?

Posted by: Al | May 11, 2005 10:33:41 AM

Did Richard Nixon plot to subvert the Constitution, or am I just imagining that?

Cranky

Posted by: Cranky Observer | May 11, 2005 10:37:34 AM

I get so angry when I learn of all those commie sympathizing traitorous mothers who wanted their sons, who had already risked life and limb in one or more tours of duty in freakin' WORLD WAR II (you know, half a million american dead, 5 million wounded), to come home safe. Damn reds.

I think this is a plot to kill democrats by making their heads explode from the idiocy.

Posted by: Patrick | May 11, 2005 10:41:09 AM

You are imagining that, cranky.

Posted by: Al | May 11, 2005 10:41:26 AM

Did Ahmed Chalabi exist, or am I just imagining that?

Posted by: Rashad | May 11, 2005 10:42:01 AM

Chalabi's a traitor to the US? Who knew?

Posted by: Al | May 11, 2005 10:47:57 AM

I think the strategy is to make Democrats feel totally alienated from the process of political thought and decision-making, so that they can either

1) become more Republican than Republican, give into spin, and attack attack attack - but they'll NEVER meet the Republican's ferocity, for their very orientation precludes it... so if they do in some way manage the Republican's ferocity, then the Republicans have won anyway

2) exasperate the Democrats, alienate them totally, so that they feel like the world of politics has gone bonkers, and should just, from now on, be ignored (we still have our TV show, West Wing)

so that, then,

they divide the Democratic following, ensuring thus Republican victory.

Posted by: RIPope | May 11, 2005 10:50:32 AM

Did Prescott Bush exist?

Posted by: Rob | May 11, 2005 10:50:39 AM

Between Al reminding us of Hiss and the Rosenbergs, and Bush bringing up Yalta, you might get the idea that the Right would like to rediscover the Cold War in their bizarro imaginations.

Posted by: just sayin' | May 11, 2005 10:52:12 AM

Why in the hell would the mullahs in Iran want 300,000 American troops on their border and numerous American warships and aircraft carriers just off their coastline?

Posted by: Joey | May 11, 2005 10:59:40 AM

Just sayin',

Communist subversion equals culture war equals opposing Iraq II equals gay marriage equals evolution equals the New Deal eqauls federal judges equals science equals modernism equals abortion equals progressive taxation...

In the far-off land of the right, it's been the same year forever.

Posted by: Thomas | May 11, 2005 11:01:34 AM

> Chalabi's a traitor to the US? Who knew?

Well, clearly the neocons who invited him to the Pentagon for strategy meetings didn't. I guess he didn't either, when he applied for a US permanant resident visa.

Cranky

Posted by: Cranky Observer | May 11, 2005 11:01:49 AM

Umm Joey. Iran would like Saddam gone. They would like to protect themselves from invasions by the US. Seems by tying up the US in Iraq they got more than they could hope for.

Posted by: Rob | May 11, 2005 11:02:49 AM

Joey: Because those troops are smashing their long-time political enemy? Because those troops are supporting a Iran-sympathetic Shia government? Because those troops are, incidentally, alienating young, reformist Iranians from western culture?

Now, we may be perfectly willing to pay this price. But let's not pretend that Tehran isn't getting some benefits here.

Posted by: Eric | May 11, 2005 11:04:41 AM

Umm Rob, you presume we'll be tied up in Iraq forever. I'm thinking 10-20 years down the line.

I don't see how a substantial U.S. presence in Iraq, coupled with a smaller U.S. military presence on their eastern border in Afghanistan, can make the mullahs feel very comfortable long-term.

Posted by: joey | May 11, 2005 11:06:09 AM

Yeah, the Iranians said to themselves, "those US military bases in Qatar and Kuwait aren't nearly enough in the region, so let's make sure we get another dozen or so permanent US military bases just over the border!"

Posted by: Al | May 11, 2005 11:08:28 AM

Chalabi's a traitor to the US? Who knew?

No, Chalabi's a double-agent. Douglas Feith, who knew or should have known that fact, but used him anyway, is the traitor.

Posted by: Brautigan | May 11, 2005 11:09:46 AM

I think one of Sy Hersh's articles said that the Iranians basically punk'd us into simulaneously overthrowing Saddam while tying up our troops so they can't be used against them...

Posted by: joe momma | May 11, 2005 11:12:41 AM

I think one of Sy Hersh's articles said that the Iranians basically punk'd us into simulaneously overthrowing Saddam while tying up our troops so they can't be used against them...

Posted by: joe momma | May 11, 2005 11:12:41 AM

Doughy Pantloads truly is a dumbshit. Could he be Al?

Yeah, the Iranians said to themselves, "those US military bases in Qatar and Kuwait aren't nearly enough in the region, so let's make sure we get another dozen or so permanent US military bases just over the border!"

Well, the Soviets got one or two permanent US military bases in West Germany.

Al truly is a dumbshit? Could he be Doughy Pantloads?

I don't see how a substantial U.S. presence in Iraq, coupled with a smaller U.S. military presence on their eastern border in Afghanistan, can make the mullahs feel very comfortable long-term.

Well, that's a fucking no-brainer. It helps the mullahs clamp down on the reformists under the aegis of national security, rather like certain sections of the wingnut fringe like to throw around accusations that opposing Bush makes you an unpatriotic traitor.

Posted by: ahem | May 11, 2005 11:14:23 AM

> Al
> Yeah, the Iranians said to themselves, "those US military
> bases in Qatar and Kuwait aren't nearly enough in the
> region, so let's make sure we get another dozen or so
> permanent US military bases just over the border!"

Wow - Al just admitted that the purpose of the Iraq war was to get permanant US military bases installed in Iraq. That is a first for a member of the Scaife Counter-Blogging team!

Cranky

Posted by: Cranky Observer | May 11, 2005 11:15:58 AM

Note that for Lucianne's Baby, 'research' means 'reading one book from Regnery on a topic that you got for free in an attempt to boost its sales numbers, and then proclaiming yourself a expert'.

Truly, the candor with which he displays his utter ignorance is breathtaking. He should really stick to Simpsons DVDs.

Posted by: ahem | May 11, 2005 11:17:57 AM

Didn't any of you take a sociology course on organizations and deviant behavior? One of the ways that you bond followers to you is to force them to accept bizarre beliefs. This forces people to burn their bridges behind them as they join the group. They are told that everyone hates them, and the sane people pointing out that they are spouting stupid shit only serves to re-enforce that feeling. It also builds a resistance to giving up those beliefs - no one wants to admit that they were ever that stupid - so it is easier to keep your new ideas.

Posted by: Marysquito | May 11, 2005 11:18:08 AM

Al just admitted that the purpose of the Iraq war was to get permanant US military bases installed in Iraq.

"Purpose" and "effect" are not synonyms.

Posted by: Al | May 11, 2005 11:19:03 AM

Chalabi's a traitor to the US? Who knew?

Chalabi suspected of giving U.S. secrets to Iran

Al is a complete idiot? Who knew?

Posted by: Dperl99 | May 11, 2005 11:21:15 AM

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