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More Friedman Than Friedman
Today's column is like the Tom Friedman column to end all Tom Friedman columns. As usual, I 100 percent agreed with his conclusion (the U.S. needs better science education) before I started reading him on the subject, but as he's been writing on it, the inept nature of his argumentation is giving me serious doubts about my former view. As for the question raised by Kevin Drum's review:
There are broader downsides to globalization too, but although Friedman managed to write tellingly about them in Lexus, they are addressed only briefly and with little passion in World. In fact, he reprises one of his pet theories from Lexus, the “Golden Arches Theory of Conflict Prevention,” which states that no two countries that both have a McDonald's will ever go to war with each other. In World, it becomes the “Dell Theory of Conflict Prevention”: No two countries that are both part of a major global supply chain like Dell's will ever fight a war against each other.When I was a sophomore in college I took "Globalization and Its Discontents" which Friedman co-taught with Michael Sandel and Stanley Hoffman. It was clear in the course that he is perfectly aware of Angell's work. His stance at the time was that the post-1989 wave of globalization was qualitatively different from the pre-WWI era of global integration because contemporary globalization involves a heavier element of interconnectedness through cheap transcontinental telecommunications (and not just trade in goods) and that this alters the situation. In short -- Angell was premature. It was a slightly odd line to take since the pre-WWI globalization did, in fact, involce a telecommunications revolution (the telegraph and the early stages of the telephone) and because the more obvious line is that nuclear weapons rather than information technology, are the difference-makers.What's startling about this isn't the theory itself, but Friedman's admission that he didn't even start thinking about it until the late 1990s. After all, this is an idea with a long pedigree. Scholars have noted for decades that liberal democracies almost never go to war with each other, and as far back as 1910 Norman Angell famously—and with famously poor timing—wrote that the spread of mercantile interconnections had made conflict so irrational that large-scale war was henceforth futile. He had logic on his side, but that didn't stop large-scale war.
But whether Angell was wrong or just premature, Friedman doesn't address the issue even in passing. He simply writes as if this were a brand new insight of his own. Is this because he really thinks it is? Or because he figures his readers aren't interested in long dead history? There's no telling. But for readers who are familiar with this history, Friedman's lack of curiosity about it—in a field he's so obviously enthusiastic about—makes it hard to take him seriously.
I note that there's actually a subtle difference between the "Golden Arches" and "Supply Chain" versions of the theory. Golden Arches is a variant of Kant's democratic peace theory which holds that states with certain internal characteristics won't fight. "Supply Chain" is a version of Angell's idea -- capitalist peace theory -- which has to do with economic organization but. At any rate, I haven't read the book, so I can't say for sure if the point here is that a corporation like Dell would be politically influential eough to be able to prevent the outbreak of a war, but if that's what he's saying, it's quite wrong. Invading Iraq has had, quite predictably, the effect of raising oil prices in the short term. This, equally predictably, has been devastating to GM and Ford, both of which had become extremely dependent on sales of very large SUVs. GM and Ford have a lot more political influence than Dell has. And, of course, a disproportionately large number of the war's leading critics in congress did, in fact, represent the state of Michigan (probably a coincidence related to Michigan's large Arab population). Nevertheless, a war we got.
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Saudi Arabia has McDonalds.
Posted by: praktike | May 6, 2005 10:32:23 AM
The only conclusion I could draw from today's column was that this time Friedman was actually drunk-typing. Good Lord. It should be the Tom Friedman column to end all Tom Friedman columns, but I fear it won't.
Posted by: Matt Weiner | May 6, 2005 10:33:41 AM
But Angell was right! World War I was completely futile!
Posted by: Brad DeLong | May 6, 2005 10:36:50 AM
Friedman is a poster child for what happens when a person starts thinking in 700 word columns and the accompanying too-cleaver metaphors.
Posted by: zschauf | May 6, 2005 10:37:26 AM
I would say that Britain and Germany were more interconnected in 1914 than most countries are today. Even their rulers came from the same family. That didn't stop a war. I guess he had to give up the McDonalds theory since that one lost out in Kosovo.
There is the point that sometimes interconnectedness makes people resent each other. Familiarity breeds comtempt and all that sort of stuff.
Friedman is a genius at marketing himself. He seems to be wrong most of the time (stock market bubble, Iraq, etc.) but never takes a fall for it. I guess having the NYT back you up, keeps you from being outsourced.
Tom Franks has a pretty good slapdown of Friedman, written when the stock market was riding high. Franks predicitions on the stock market bubble are spot on, Friedman's not so good.
Posted by: la | May 6, 2005 10:40:13 AM
Wow, Matt, we were in the same class at Harvard with Friedman. Funny!
Posted by: Laura | May 6, 2005 10:49:14 AM
Second, and this may be related to the first
No. No, it's not.
If he wants to just ramble for 700 words, he should get a freakin' blog.
Posted by: Rebecca | May 6, 2005 10:50:09 AM
You know, I have an extremely expensive computer science degree from a top-notch school, and my girlfriend has a science PhD and several publications. Fat lot of good it does us--we both have jobs now, but the job markets suck.
And it's not like undergrads don't know about the job market. The number of CS majors at my university has plummeted in the last few years--if it goes any lower, there will be a one-to-one student/faculty ratio. And as for the hard sciences, who's going to stay in school until their late 20's if it's only going to earn them $40k/year?
Friedman gets cause and effect backwards, because he doesn't really understand markets. Scientists and engineers in the developing world aren't smarter, but they are cheaper. So there's no reason to hire scientists in the US. And if there's no reason to hire scientists in the US, there's not much point in studying science.
Is there any solution to this problem? Not necessarily. But even if the ship is sinking, do we have to listen to Friedman on the way down?
Posted by: Eric | May 6, 2005 10:56:30 AM
Second, and this may be related to the first
may?
Did Tom just want to show that he is hip and make a refrence to Jon Stewart?
Posted by: Mihir | May 6, 2005 11:12:43 AM
If I were Jon Stewart I would go out back with a shovel and dig myself a grave, just so I could spin in it.
Posted by: Oh Snap! | May 6, 2005 11:30:54 AM
Of course, the difference here is that Iraq was neither democratic (which is the important part of democratic peace theory), nor was it economically interconnected to any great degree (which is the important part of economic peace theory). The UN sanctions saw to it that the US was not economically connected to Iraq in any real way.
To be blunt, the US-Iraq War is not a counterexample to either peace theories.
Posted by: Trickster Paean | May 6, 2005 11:45:05 AM
What makes Tom worse, is that he starts to get on to something, then completly misses the boat. What really gets under my skin, is that he starts talking about globlization, and the good it can do, without talking about the downsides. WHICH YOU CAN OVERCOME.
With full globalization, more than likely the natural underemployment rate is going to rise substantially. So then the discussion is basically #1. Are you prepared to live with the slums/homelessless/crime/violence of such a society, and #2. If not, what steps would you like to take to prevent this in the first place?
Posted by: Karmakin | May 6, 2005 11:46:44 AM
Fat lot of good it does us--we both have jobs now, but the job markets suck.
*snicker*
Please don't claim to be "reality-based". Because the economy has created 720,000 in the last 3 months alone. Or don't you read the news?
Posted by: Al | May 6, 2005 11:53:01 AM
If GM and Ford and all had tried to influence the start of the war, they'd have just been told, "Hey, a little shooting, a little cleanup, put our guys in charge, and all that oil is OURS, so your SUVs will still be big sellers! And Iraqi oil will pay for fixing whatever we break going in, too."
Idjuts.
Ed
Posted by: Ed Drone | May 6, 2005 12:06:03 PM
"Please don't claim to be "reality-based". Because the economy has created 720,000 in the last 3 months alone. Or don't you read the news?"
Well, if jobs never disappeared and the American population was stagnant, this point wouldn't be idiotic.
Posted by: Scott Lemieux | May 6, 2005 12:06:54 PM
if jobs never disappeared
That's NET jobs.
and the American population was stagnant
Which is far more than required to keep up with population growth.
Sheesh.
Posted by: Al | May 6, 2005 12:08:58 PM
Please don't claim to be "reality-based". Because the economy has created 720,000 in the last 3 months alone.
All in technology and the hard sciences, no doubt. Sheesh yourself.
Posted by: Rebecca | May 6, 2005 12:14:00 PM
re: supply chain theory, how about the fact that taiwan utilizes china for cheap labor on a massive scale? yet it's perfectly conceivable that China invade Taiwan.
Posted by: praktike | May 6, 2005 12:16:57 PM
"GM and Ford have a lot more political influence than Dell has."
Umm, not in Texas, beetches.
Posted by: bob mcmanus | May 6, 2005 12:17:28 PM
You can't possibly be that obtuse. When an engineer says "the job market sucks," he is not complaining about his inability to find a job at wal-mart. He is saying that there is little demand for engineers and even less demand for paying them well. That is what a sucky job market is.
Electrical Engineering is one of those jobs where they are fewer engineers today than there were years ago. This is true for a lot of engineering fields... when some of those jobs disappear, they're gone forever, and that's what creates a bad labor market for those in the sciences and engineering.
Posted by: Constantine | May 6, 2005 12:22:24 PM
Is anyone else processing "More Friedman Than Friedman" by way of White Zombie? It's really fucking with my head. . . .
Posted by: Kriston | May 6, 2005 12:31:03 PM
Yes, the title is much more subtle than the Sex Pistols allusion a couple of posts down. Very nice, I thought.
Posted by: Al | May 6, 2005 12:38:26 PM
Friedman gets cause and effect backwards, because he doesn't really understand markets. Scientists and engineers in the developing world aren't smarter, but they are cheaper.
Agreed. There is no overall shortage of scientists and engineers globally. It's important to have both researchers and technologists, but a little goes a long way.
College bound American kids are turned away from science for at least two reasons. First, our culture does not prize it especially; many parents care passionately about the high school football team and few care about the math club or science fairs. This is not an indelible part of human nature, but a cultural factor that not all nations share with us. Second, Barbie was right: "Math is hard." Some people feel passionately about it and put the necessary effort into learning it. But those who do not will probably do better studying nearly anything outside technical fields. After college, you leverage your good grades into a junior position, build your skills and networks on the job, and maneuver your way into much higher compensation than most engineers receive.
BTW, the reason that so many Chinese, Indians, and Russians come here as engineers is because the above factors are reversed. Those societies value technical learning more highly than we do, while at the same time offer fewer opportunities to advance on a business track. In fact, plenty of people who come here as engineers jump over to management when they get a chance.
I don't mean to suggest that all is well with American science education. But the actual problems are usually misunderstood. The US surely produces enough Americans that could function as university professors in science. Why else would there be hundreds of reasonably qualified applicants (at least 1/3 American born) for every available tenure track opening? The US probably even produces enough Americans to fill low-level IT jobs now that the dot-com boom is well behind us. If we were still an industrial economy, we could reasonably wonder if we were training enough welders, say, but many of the jobs in the new economy are of the "nice work if you can get it" variety, inevitably creating a glut of qualified contenders.
On the other hand, it is true that much American science education is terrible. It's a little bit of a leap (though I'll eagerly make it) to suggest that it would be better if more Americans did understand science. I think, though, that the important understanding is at the level of quantitative reasoning and estimation (back-of-the-envelope upper and lower bounds) as well as some ability to calculate, and a basic appreciation of the scientific method. This would presumably result in a more rational population who would (presumably) make better resource allocation decisions as a result. An added bonus is that the ones who accepted low-paying K-12 teaching positions might actually be able to teach science.
I would like to see this, but my justification is almost entirely unlike Friedman's. I would like a population that knows how to think like scientists rather than a population that has absorbed a particular body of scientific knowledge.
(Note: I've decided to shorten my posting name not to hide from readers here, but to make it a little harder for people to stumble on this stuff when putting my name into a search engine.)
Posted by: PaulC | May 6, 2005 12:42:31 PM
On another note, I'm not sure if Iraq ever had a McDonald's even in good times, but Baghdad had a Hilton, didn't it? I'm not sure I buy the golden arches theory on any level. I don't think it worked well before WWI. There was plenty of friendly trade in Europe beforehand. How about the American Civil War? I don't know if there were literally branches of the same business in different states, but I bet there were bars of Procter and Gamble soap on both sides of the Mason Dixon line.
If true, though, I guess we have less to worry about China. Anyway, KFC is wildly popular there. Or does it literally have to be golden arches?
Posted by: PaulC | May 6, 2005 12:58:44 PM
This line about “not enough scientists and engineers” is a hardy perennial indeed. Well before I was born it fueled the educational hysteria in the aftermath of the Sputnik panic. In the 80s I listened to it, and became a physics major. By the time I graduated in 1992 I had been disabused, having run into more than a few guys in their 30s trapped in post-doc hell. So I made the jump to IT instead.
If and when the market starts to demand lots and lots of scientists and engineers (as evidenced by rising salaries and very low unemployment in those fields) people will flock to them. Until then telling people they should go for those fields if the josb aren’t there is educational malpractice.
Posted by: JonF | May 6, 2005 1:05:13 PM

