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When Bigger Is Better

Since just the other day I was offering up some libertarian-style skepticism about the efficacy of state intervention correcting certain sorts of apparent market failures, I think it's worth looking at that same issue from another angle. To my way of thinking, the biggest problems with "government failure" tend to occur when you have a situation that involves a lot of discretion and changing things around. Zoning laws, at times, have various sorts of bad effects. But if instead of zoning laws, you had an eleven person elected board that just got to decide who gets to build what where on an ad hoc basis, things would get much worse. A really rigid set of rules, naturally enough, will produce bad results in some cases. Concentrating a huge amount of totally discretionary power in the hands of a small group of people who will become the subject of massive campaigns of lobbying, bribery, etc. would be worse.

This is one of the things that's nice about the sort of big government involved in Social Security. It's a large program indeed. But basically it's large just because the aggregate quantity of the checks getting shuffled around is large. It's not a mammoth bureacracy full of people sitting around in offices in every city in America trying to micromanage individual financial decisions. It's all worked out by a rigid formula. And, thanks to its fabled "third rail" status, the congress is not in the habit of popping the hood every year to tweak things. Indeed, one of the main motives for adopting wage indexing was precisely to avoid a situation where it was standard for the congress to start revising the benefit formula every couple of years.

One fear that one ought to have about replacing the program with a set of highly-regulated savings vehicles is that their creation will likely spawn a cottage industry of lobbyists trying to get the rules changes this way or that so as to make more money for their clients. Instead of taking a big chunk of money out of the government's hands and delivering it to the people, you're basically taking a big chunk of money out of a government program that more-or-less runs on autopilot and putting it under a different and potentially more unstable form of government control.

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"It's not a mammoth bureacracy full of people sitting around in offices in every city in America trying to micromanage individual financial decisions."

Wrong.

http://s3abaca.ssa.gov/pro/fol/fol-home.html

Posted by: oxbow incident | May 27, 2005 12:14:50 AM

So, Oxbow, SSA has an office locator feature. How does that prove that it is a mammoth bureacracy full of people sitting around in offices in every city in America trying to micromanage individual financial decisions? Today I used the office locator feature of two retailers and one other one yesterday. Are those also mammoth bureacracies full of people sitting around in offices in every city in America trying to micromanage individual financial decisions?

Posted by: exgop | May 27, 2005 12:52:09 AM

BTW, Oxbow, the key part isn't every major city. The key part is 'trying to micromanage individual financial decisions.'

Posted by: exgop | May 27, 2005 12:53:16 AM

exgop --

Put some random zip codes in. You get offices in small towns you've never heard of.

In other words...

"a mammoth bureacracy full of people sitting around in offices in every city in America trying to micromanage individual financial decisions.


Posted by: oxbow incident | May 27, 2005 1:27:43 AM

My favorite so far is the ZIP 45678, which leads one to the Social Security office in something called Ironton, Ohio.

Mammoth...

Posted by: oxbow incident | May 27, 2005 1:32:36 AM

exgop and Matt Yglesias --

Here's the list of Social Security offices in Ohio alone. I think we've put to rest Matt's theory that Social Security is "not a mammoth bureacracy full of people sitting around in offices in every city in America..." It is.

The only point left is whether those office workers are "trying to micromanage individual financial decisions."

So, exgop and MattY, what do *you* think they do all day in, say, the Chillicothe office?

Akron | Ashtabula | Athens | Batavia | Bowling Green | Cambridge | Canton | Chillicothe | Cincinnati | Cleveland | Columbus | Dayton | Defiance | East Liverpool | Euclid | Findlay | Fremont | Gallipolis | Hamilton | Ironton | Lakewood | Lancaster | Lima | Lorain | Mansfield | Marietta | Marion | Medina | Middleburg Heights | Middletown | Newark | New Philadelphia | Painesville | Piqua | Portsmouth | Ravenna | Sandusky | Springfield | Steubenville | Toledo | Warren | Wooster | Worthington | Xenia | Youngstown | Zanesville

Posted by: oxbow incident | May 27, 2005 1:41:42 AM

Presumably hold hearings on disability benefit claims and file a ton of paperwork for vaguely defined reasons. At least, that's what they do at the White Plains, New York (10601) office which I spent some time at via a semi-related job.
They certainly don't do anything involving assessing the amount of retirement benefits paid out.

Posted by: washerdreyer | May 27, 2005 1:55:22 AM

"Presumably hold hearings on disability benefit claims and file a ton of paperwork for vaguely defined reasons"

Mainly, it's where you go to get you social security card issued.

Posted by: rea | May 27, 2005 6:48:44 AM

"Since just the other day I was offering up some libertarian-style skepticism about the efficacy of state intervention correcting certain sorts of apparent market failures...."

But not regarding healthcare. This very same government would be an exceptional provider of healthcare insurance and services delivery.


"The biggest problems with "government failure" tend to occur when you have a situation that involves a lot of discretion and changing things around...."

Except for redisigning healthcare delivery throughout the country.

Right? Sure Matt, Sure thing.

Posted by: avedis | May 27, 2005 7:34:08 AM

"the congress is not in the habit of popping the hood every year to tweak things. Indeed, one of the main motives for adopting wage indexing was precisely to avoid a situation where it was standard for the congress to start revising the benefit formula every couple of years"

This ignores history. Throughout the 40s and 50s, and I believe the 60s, Congress routinely and gleefully raised benefits for everyone. There were three sources of financing this. First, every time the long term financials looked good, up went the benefits. Second, Congress routinely brought new groups into the program. Since their bennies didn't kick in for years but the revenues started rolling in right away -- jackpot! Finally, the big one: Congress increased SS tax rates over time. See http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/TaxFacts/TFDB/TFTemplate.cfm?Docid=45&Topic2id=50

And now that we're in this ridiculous fix, brought on by years of spendthrift congresses spending other people's money, well now we're supposed to put the program on automatic pilot and say how wonderfully neutral and cost free the program is. Phooey. The program is hideously expensive.

Posted by: ostap | May 27, 2005 7:53:45 AM

One thing I forgot to add -- even when not gleefully raising benefits, Congress kept raising tax rates. Note in the tax policy center link I provided above that it is only since 1990 that OASDI tax rates have stabilized. For a program that began in 1937, it is odd to claim that "congress is not in the habit of popping the hood every year to tweak things." They've only gotten out of the habit bec/ rates have gotten so blasted high they dare not touch them. 12.4% is huge.

Posted by: ostap | May 27, 2005 8:20:28 AM

I think you may not know much about how zoning operates in most of the country. It's as you describe: a group of elected officials with almost total discretion. On the other hand, the primary incentive of those officials is to maximize property tax revenue, which means putting all land to its highest and best use, so the results are about the same as if you simply auctioned off building rights, except that the system has a veneer of concern for the "public good."

Posted by: y81 | May 27, 2005 8:25:49 AM

Finally, the big one: Congress increased SS tax rates over time.

Especially under the Ronald Reagan plan to save Social Security. I'm sick of you guys disrespecting Ronald Reagan, one of our greatest Presidents, and his Social Security Trust Fund surplus.

And now that we're in this ridiculous fix, brought on by years of spendthrift congresses spending other people's money, well now we're supposed to put the program on automatic pilot and say how wonderfully neutral and cost free the program is. Phooey. The program is hideously expensive.

And now that we're in this ridiculous fix, brought on by years of the White House pushing tax cuts for the wealthy and spending my FICA taxes on them, and turning 2000's General Fund surplus into deficits as far as the eye can see, well now we're supposed to divert FICA revenues into private accounts and say how wonderfully neutral and cost free the program is. Phooey. The General Fund deficit is hideously expensive.

Posted by: mds | May 27, 2005 8:39:02 AM

Matthew Yglesias:
Concentrating a huge amount of totally discretionary power in the hands of a small group of people

It's not a mammoth bureacracy full of people sitting around in offices in every city in America trying to micromanage individual financial decisions.

The point of big government is government. You have rich and powerful people in every area, their voice should be heard. But you need a large entity that can impose rules largely immune from petty corruption. A grander corruption is unavoidable: the Bill Gatses will always be able to sway even the largest government. But I trust larger government and business to more fairly represent the Enlightenment ideal of egalitarian inclusiveness. I trust Nike and Microsoft (witness its caving on the gay rights issue) to do the evenhanded thing over my local business mogul.

What MY said above is true unless you can prove that local SS offices are trying to micromanage individual financial decisions. Some things big government is better at. Some things should be left at the local level. No?

Posted by: epistemology | May 27, 2005 9:03:26 AM

> is that their creation will likely spawn a cottage
> industry of lobbyists trying to get the rules changes
> this way or that so as to make more money for their
> clients.

"Likely"??? What the heck do you think is the point of the whole privitization portion of Bush's Social Security Destruction Scheme if not to allow key Wall Street campaign contributors to skim off a few 10s of billions?

Cranky

Posted by: Cranky Observer | May 27, 2005 9:04:11 AM

I was in my Social Security office recently to get a new card. Yes, it was a bureaucracy, but the waiting room was filled with old folks with benefit questions, people with little babies getting their cards, and people like me needing new cards.

There is a difference between helping people figure out a system, and trying to rig the system for them, with a cut of the money to you.

Posted by: Maureen Hay | May 27, 2005 9:39:28 AM

I think we've put to rest Matt's theory that Social Security is "not a mammoth bureacracy full of people sitting around in offices in every city in America..." It is. The only point left is whether those office workers are "trying to micromanage individual financial decisions."

What an idiotic statement. Matt's argument only had one point in it, not two. It would be as if I said to you "There are no second basemen in the National League who hit for power," and you said "I think we've put to rest JP's theory that there are no second basemen in the National League, the only point left is whether those second basement hit for power." You total moron.

Posted by: JP | May 27, 2005 9:53:51 AM

Is fear of corruption really a "libertarian" attitude? For example, liberals (e.g. John Stewart Mill, John Rawls) place extract special emphasis on civil liberties - tools individuals can use to defend themselves against the state. Course there is no such thing as "The State" so what that really means is tools individuals can use to defend themselves against particular (corrupt) officers of the state. (Voting to vote them or their supperiors out of office, rights of due process, rights to speak out) On the other hand liberals seem relatively agnostic (compared to Libertarians or conservatives) on government regulation of the economy and private property. The very example of social security reform begins to make me wonder if libertarians really care about corruption. I can't think of any philosophical reason why a libertarian would be especially worried about corruption (e.g. some libertarians support a very robust and aggressive police and military.)

Maybe:

Liberals: worried about corruption (civil liberties), not so worried about sancticty of property

Conservatives: Worried about sancticty of property, not so worried about corruption (civil liberties, subsidies to business, views nationalism as a "good thing")

Libertarians: worried about both? (Although a "tough on property crime" libertarian would have to flesh out the balance between protecting property and protecting individuals)

Communists?: worried about neither?

Posted by: wml | May 27, 2005 9:57:21 AM

[Y]ou're basically taking a big chunk of money out of a government program that more-or-less runs on autopilot and putting it under a different and potentially more unstable form of government control.

Sorta the point, isn't it?

Posted by: bobo brooks | May 27, 2005 10:03:37 AM

When bigger isn't better is when highway workers sit around doing nothing and get paid for it. I see it all the time and its ridiculous.

Posted by: Adrock | May 27, 2005 12:58:44 PM

"Libertarians: worried about both? (Although a "tough on property crime" libertarian would have to flesh out the balance between protecting property and protecting individuals)"

No, actually we don't, since "property" rights are merely the rights of individuals with respect to property, it's protecting individuals in both cases.

Posted by: Brett Bellmore | May 27, 2005 1:10:13 PM


if instead of zoning laws, you had an eleven person elected board that just got to decide who gets to build what where on an ad hoc basis, things would get much worse.


Ideological purity note: your latter scenario is in no way more 'libertarian' than the former. In the ad hoc zoning law scenario The State (I get to use capitalization like that when I put my libertarian hat on) exhibits just as much power as in the blanket zoning law scenario. It's still dictating what can and can't be built where. The libertarian solution would be to not have someone telling you what you can build where at all.

Constraints requiring zone sizes to be large are constraints on government that increase liberty by restraining state arbitrariness, and therefore I'd assume that most libertarians would prefer large blanket zones than arbitrary small ones if they had to choose one.

Posted by: sidereal | May 27, 2005 3:11:05 PM

Matt, on a re-read it's now not clear to me whether you were suggesting that small ad hoc zoning is more libertarian. I may have just misread that. If not, ignore that last comment.

Posted by: sidereal | May 27, 2005 3:13:32 PM

Brett Bellmore: "property" rights are merely the rights of individuals with respect to property, it's protecting individuals in both cases.And of course intellectual property is the same as real property, so protecting my right to worship my god at home is of a species with your right to collect money if I whistle a tune you say you invented.

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