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I was, I believe, a sophomore in high school when Bound with its promise of hot girl-on-girl action was released. Needless to say, my friends and I were excited. When I went to the Serenity premiere the other day, I was in line in front of two girls of about that age. On the wall next to us was a poster for Brokeback Mountain and these two girls were excited. Not about the stellar credentials of Ang Lee, Annie Proulx, and Larry McMurtry but, much like my own Bound anticipation of eight or nine years ago, at the prospect of Jake Gyllenhaal and Heath Ledger getting it on. I suppose Ariel Levy wouldn't approve, but it seemed to me like an important blow for equality.

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Comments

A blow indeed. Sorry. Wanted to be first with bad innuendo.

Posted by: FL | Sep 29, 2005 2:54:02 PM

The movie title is totally supposed to make us think "bareback mountain," right?

Posted by: ogged | Sep 29, 2005 3:54:27 PM

That last comment was actually made by Tom Hilde.

Posted by: FL | Sep 29, 2005 3:57:40 PM

Jennifer Tilly & Gina Gershon? Sorry. They are ok as actresses, but not that attractive.

Just watched the last half of Bound last week. Pretty good movie. The sex is not the best part by any means.

Posted by: bob mcmanus | Sep 29, 2005 4:10:24 PM

Matt: This is the second time you've referenced FCP on one of your blogs, but only briefly. Will you be giving us an expanded critique?

Posted by: MrExcitement | Sep 29, 2005 4:28:24 PM

Bob: that's insane. It's hot girl-on-girl action. Or at least such is my recollection. Haven't seen it since 1996.

MrExcitement: In principle, yes.

Posted by: Matthew Yglesias | Sep 29, 2005 5:02:19 PM

Bound is the best film the Wachowski Bros. have made to date, and I say that even though the awfulness of the second two Matrix movies has failed to really ruin the first one for me. And the hot girl-on-girl action is only a small part of the reason it's good

Posted by: washerdreyer | Sep 29, 2005 5:18:57 PM

I'm not sure I see the connection between an interest in homo-erotic art involving the opposite gender and equality. In Japan, there is an entire genre of comic books (or manga) that tell romantic stories of young male lovers. The predominant readership for these gay male love stories is Japanese housewives. But Japan is arguably even more sexually conservative and partriarchal than the United States, at least for women. In fact, I've heard the argument that Japanese women love these homo-erotic stories percisely because their own sexual freedom is curtailed: they imagine that men have a freedom of sexual behaviour with each other that is not available in male/female relationships. Taste in erotic fantasy is not directly or logically connected with erotic freedom.

Posted by: Jeet Heer | Sep 29, 2005 5:38:20 PM

Having male-male relationships (though frequently with relationship dynamics closer to stereotypical male-female than male-male) in a piece intended for a female audience is a tradition that is alive and well in the fan fiction universe.

Posted by: Nathan Williams | Sep 29, 2005 7:42:42 PM

In my experience, the straight interest in the gay-rotic movies is decidedly asymmetrical with respect to gender. Maybe that's a function of what's available, but I sort of doubt it. Pretty much all of the girls I have ever known have been way more interested in sexy-girl movies, as a category, than in the other thing. Also, I have to contradict bob on Bound. I think Jennifer Tilly is way hot, in a Myrna Loy sort of way, but that movie was so self-conscious about being stylishly libidinousness that it foundered as a thriller, I found. Kind of like Body Heat, but with lesbians, and not as good.

Posted by: spacetoast | Sep 29, 2005 8:30:21 PM

The movie title is totally supposed to make us think "bareback mountain," right?

I can only assume that you meant to write "bareback mountin'".

Posted by: Anon | Sep 29, 2005 9:00:21 PM

Having male-male relationships (though frequently with relationship dynamics closer to stereotypical male-female than male-male) in a piece intended for a female audience is a tradition that is alive and well in the fan fiction universe.

Yeah, I was commenting on this issue back in January:

My thought: is it possible that this is the female equivalent of the male fascination with lesbians?

Posted by: Glaivester | Sep 29, 2005 9:01:24 PM

Glaivstrr-

It's possible, but not plausible, in my opinion, anyway; and depending pretty clearly on what you want to make "equivalent" come to. I think that a significant thing to know would be: to what extent are women interested in depersonalized instances of the male-male category (i.e., no Kirk or Spock, (or anyone we know)), vs. men interested in the female-female category, such like? I'm sure it's not politically correct to say so, but I kinda think the notion of female "equivalents" to the identified male responses is wishful thinking. Also, I think there's a gender-trumping internet-weirdo factor that would be the main part of any explanation of the slash, in any permutation.

Posted by: spacetoast | Sep 30, 2005 1:02:14 AM

Hmm....

My recommendation for hot girl-on-girl action in a reasonably mainstream movie?

Wild Side Director's cut, of course.

Anne Heche and Joan Chen have several scenes, including a mutual manipulation nooner that I swear was not faked. True flushes and trembles.
A terrible movie in many ways, but interesting.
....
For hot man-on-man action, maybe A Home at the End of the World

Some sex, but mainly so sweet and romantic and wise I just wanted to snuggle with anything that breathed. Polymorphous perverse, here I come.
...
I fear for our future if Jake Gyllenhal, Heath Ledger, and Ashton Kushner are the hearthrobs of current tweens.

Posted by: bob mcmanus | Sep 30, 2005 8:30:40 AM

Mulholland Drive featured some pretty nice girl-on-girl between Naomi Watts and Laura Elena Harring.

Posted by: Haggai | Sep 30, 2005 10:40:50 AM

Female interest in hot-man-on-man action long predates brokeback mountain. Interest in glimpses of such action between River Phoenix and Keanu Reeves in My own private idaho was pretty strong among high school girls I knew back then. It was, alas, a false dawn.

Spacetoast -- You need to spend more time with the right kind of girls.

Posted by: Ikram | Sep 30, 2005 10:43:03 AM

Hot man-on-man action (complete with rock'n'roll buzzcocks soundtrack!).

Yglesias, not that I don't applaud the turn to the trivial that this blog has taken, but I wish you'd do some of the Harriet Miers stuff here. There are kinds of discussion I like reading here that are impeded at tpm by the registration requirement.

Posted by: spacetoast | Oct 3, 2005 5:44:18 PM

This is by no means a new phenomenon. Back when dinosaurs roamed the earth and I was in high school, all the girls, myself included, were oooing and ahhing over Daniel Day Lewis making out with Gordon Warneke in My Beautiful Laundrette.

Posted by: LizardBreath | Oct 4, 2005 10:32:22 AM

The surprising thing about that, to me, is that there was a high school in which all the girls saw My Beautiful Laundrette. I didn't realize it was popular when it came out.

Posted by: spacetoast | Oct 4, 2005 1:49:21 PM

'All the girls' actually means all the girls with henna'd black hair, Doc Martens, and too much eyeliner. I think the rest of the school wasn't all that interested.

Posted by: LizardBreath | Oct 4, 2005 3:09:31 PM

I see. There were exactly two "too much eyeliner" girls at my high school, and they had boiled that conceit down to taking speed and stealing.

Posted by: spacetoast | Oct 4, 2005 3:45:43 PM

Shall we look back to Kirk/Spock, anyone?
Yes, female fascination with male/male action is alive and well in slash fiction and artwork, and has been around for quite a while. Sometimes it delves into emotional-relationship romance, sometimes it's pure smut.

What makes Brokeback Mountain so astonishing, IMO, is that it's being produced by a major studio with an award-winning director and popular actors. Moving to the mainstream from the fringes. Should be interesting to see how it pans out.

Posted by: Lis Riba | Oct 7, 2005 9:22:35 PM

The Annie Proulx story is outstanding. I hope the film is.

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