I never really believed that the NFL Draft was televised live on ESPN until I saw about ten minutes of it with my own eyes. It just sounded like absolutely terrible television. And it turns out to be . . . absolutely terrible television. How anyone could possibly be sufficiently into football to want to watch that baffles me. To each his own I suppose, but it's really a bizarre idea.
Pacers run in the first four minutes of the fourth quarter, on the other hand: Thrilling. The refs should blatantly cheat in favor of teams at risk of getting blown out all the time. Like the "computer assistance" feature on NBA Jam.
UPDATE: Howard remarks, "no offense, matthew, but they've been broadcasting the draft for at least 25 years or so now: where have you been?" I've been not watching it; I thought that was clear. It sounded boring. Then, this year, I decided to check it out and it was boring.
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no offense, matthew, but they've been broadcasting the draft for at least 25 years or so now: where have you been?
Posted by: howard | Apr 29, 2006 5:34:33 PM
The few moments of the draft that I caught, a couple of years ago, cracked me up; I tuned in just as it was announced that the Giants had traded their pick away for Eli Manning, who had gone at #1 an hour earlier...and the Madison Square Garden crowd exploded like they'd won something.
don't you watch the NBA draft?
Posted by: right | Apr 29, 2006 7:37:42 PM
Howard, what do you think of the Jets taking two OL in the first round? As a Dolphins fan, I couldn't be happier. I think Reggie Bush would have made a much bigger impact.
Posted by: Just Karl | Apr 29, 2006 8:27:42 PM
I guess you guys are right. The fact that he's a completely unlikeable asshole with a shady sexual history makes him easy to hate. But I like my sports stars flawed and his game is just too seductive.
On the arrogance thing, I swear if Kobe would just develop a sense of humor he'd morph into Deion Sanders over night. America would love him, rape or no rape.
Posted by: WillieStyle | Apr 29, 2006 9:13:55 PM
Well, it's sad to say that I sort of agree the draft is boring, yet I also watch it every year (I do drink a lot of beer while it's on, which helps).
Posted by: Charlie | Apr 29, 2006 9:53:25 PM
Karl, my big Dolphins fan thought is: Why didn't we trade down? We could've probably got the New York end of the Giants-Steelers trade, or better, since we were picking much higher than the Giants. I'm also surprised that we let Winston Justice slip on by, as everyone else did. If Saban has some kind of secret knowledge that Jason Allen's hip is fine, then cool, but there's cause for nervousness.
Oh, and also -- the Bills' picks were wacky, while the Pats picked well.
First I'd like to say, the draft was almost as exciting as the Pacer game. I'm a huge pacer fan and I was flipping back and forth watching both. This years draft class especially has some great players with hall-of-fame potential. Some of the picks this year made some teams go from crap to pretty good. Like the Jets who have a wall for an Oline now, the Cardinals whose offense is set for the next decade, and the Broncos.
Hey, alot of dolphin fans here. Justice is good, but quite frankly defense was a bigger need than offense. Our defensive backs aren't that great. Also, remember that Saben coached in the SEC and thats where Allen is from. He researched allen and tried recruiting him, so he knows him from highschool. Then coached against him, so he knows everything about him. Thats one of the benefits of having a Fresh-out-of-college coach. He knows alot about the lesser known players. He picked Crowder and Daniels last year and they turned out to be great picks.
In Saben We Trust!
The problem with the NFL draft is that it just takes too long. The NBA draft has 5 minutes for the 1st round and 2 minutes for the second. Why doesn't the NFL do that?
Posted by: Al | Apr 29, 2006 10:44:47 PM
Matthew, i guess you were just too subtle for me! and of course it's pathetically boring, not to mention that televising draft day brought us mel kiper for our sins.
Just Karl, you know what i think in general: you need an outstanding offensive line to win. Whether the Jets made good choices with their picks is way beyond me to tell. But i guarantee you that Reggie Bush was not the biggest need of the New Orleans Saints, by far.
Posted by: howard | Apr 29, 2006 11:03:21 PM
Neil, Allen's hip was well enough for him to run a 4.4 at the combine. Plus like MD says, I trust Saban to know these guys from the SEC and we need youth on defense in a big way. I don't know why we didn't trade down, though. I think Allen would probably still have been there, but who know's what was going on in the war room and what they were hearing. I'm so happy that Spielman and Wanny are gone. What about this WR from ASU? Know anything about him? Kiper says he drops balls. I am happy with Culpepper throwing to Chambers and Booker and this guy doesn't look like a slot. I think we have bigger needs but maybe we went for our top rated athlete?
As I was saying in the last thread, I don't think it's wise to take OL in the first round, so I'm happy that we passed on Justice and filled a need. It's not like Carey has done much for us. (granted he's been recovering from bad ankles thanks to Old Man Coker).
Howard, I think the Saints did what they had to. They've got a great offense all of a sudden with depth and threats from every position. Strange move by the Texans, IMO.
Posted by: Just Karl | Apr 29, 2006 11:34:50 PM
The thing with Mario Williams is that the recent history of defensive linemen as #1 overall draft choices is... not good. NO got a steal, IMO. Bush will not only play great, but he should help them sell tix.
OT: Howard, did you see that Rooney broke his foot today, and will be out for the World Cup? Holy shit! All of England must be in hysterics tonight.
Posted by: Al | Apr 30, 2006 12:17:47 AM
Al, i watched the match, and not only was everyone's immediate thought "england is screwed in the world cup," but even worse, chelsea was already ahead 3-0 and there was really no reason for such an aggressive tackle on rooney in the first place. i haven't had the heart to check soccernet or google news and see how the brits are reacting, but based on the expats at my local, hysteria and depression in equal measure.
as for the saints, well, i made my attitude clear in the other thread: if your every other key need is filled, then go ahead and use a top 3 pick on a running back, but i don't think we can really say that new orleans was a running back away from super bowl contention. and not that karma has anything to do with it, but the saints previous two tries (that i can think of) in this direction were letting the giants get LT by taking george rogers and trading the draft for ricky williams.
but that's why they play 'em on the field: let's see what happens in the fall.
Posted by: howard | Apr 30, 2006 12:50:08 AM
Hey Howard, what are you hating on Kiper?! Everyone keeps hating on Kiper just because he doesn't have perfectly accurate mock drafts. Mock drafting isn't his job. His job is to scout and analyze all the players and give us information about them, and he does a damn good job of doing that. If you wanna hate on a guy, hate on Salisberry, hes an idiot.
"The thing with Mario Williams is that the recent history of defensive linemen as #1 overall draft choices is... not good."
And the recent history of RBs selected #1 overall is... Ki-Jana Carter. Yikes. (I assume your comment refers to Courteney Brown and Dan Wilkinson, who are indeed not HOF material, but are at least, you know, in the league six or ten years on.)
Posted by: right | Apr 30, 2006 7:16:35 PM
And the recent history of RBs selected #1 overall is... Ki-Jana Carter. Yikes.
(I assume your comment refers to Courteney Brown and Dan Wilkinson, who are indeed not HOF material, but are at least, you know, in the league six or ten years on.)
and Steve Emtmen, Russell Maryland, Audray Bruce...
Posted by: Al | Apr 30, 2006 9:38:05 PM
Fair enough, although I'd argue we were stretching the definition of "recent" in NFL terms. But I agree the Texans likely screwed this one up...
No one's really talking about it, but it wouldn't surprise me if the Texans were heavily influenced by the memory of the 2002 draft. The Texans had the first pick and took the consensus #1 at a premier offensive position, David Carr. Carr's been okay, of course, and they just signed him to a fat extension, but has hardly proven himself a worth #1 overall pick.
The #2 pick was held by Carolina, who took... a defensive end from the ACC, Julius Peppers. Peppers of course is now one of the 5-10 best defensive players in the NFL. Nine picks later, Dwight Freeney came off the board, and now he is perhaps the only DE in the league better than Peppers. I wonder if Houston was too worried about making the same mistake twice...
Posted by: right | Apr 30, 2006 11:56:40 PM
I didnt follow the draft in 02, but I know one thing, Carr couldn't have been nearly as hyped as Bush. First of all, Carr hasn't been bad. He got absolutely no protection, when he's not sacked, hes pressured and hurried. Bush is such a dynamic player, he could've helped carr greatly. Bush alone wouldve made that offense one that people don't laugh at.
Lets say both were to live up to their potential, what would help the Texans more, 15 sacks, 75 tackles, or 20 TDs 1300 yards. They will seriously regret it.
Both are great picks, but Bush wouldve had a much bigger impact. Mario Williams is a once-every-few-years guy. But Bush is a once every lifetime guy. He's a COMPLETE package with bonus features with 0 flaws. A PERFECT pick. Thats why the Saints couldn't pass him, even though they have an elite RB Deuce McAllister recently signed to 7 years! Michael Bennet, and Stecker who are both good backups.
The Rose Bowl did give me some concerns about Bush, and not just because of that silly fumble. He'd been running wild against some pretty weak defenses for most of the year, but this was the one time he went up against a good and fast unit. He didn't look particularly spectacular. Sure, just one game, but it's the one game that was the most NFL-like.
maddendude, just to repeat myself from another thread: in my book, the 4 greatest running backs from scrimmage in nfl history are jimmy brown, oj, walter payton, and barry sanders. let's assume, just for the sake of argument, that bush is the fifth: now go and count their number of championships.
as for mel kiper, jr.: de gustibus non est disputandum.
Posted by: howard | May 1, 2006 10:18:56 AM
"the 4 greatest running backs from scrimmage in nfl history are jimmy brown, oj, walter payton, and barry sanders. let's assume, just for the sake of argument, that bush is the fifth: now go and count their number of championships."
James Brown: NFL champ 1964
Walter Payton: Super Bowl Champ 1985
Barry Sanders: nada
Now let me mention who I think belongs in a top 10 -
Emmitt Smith: 3 Super Bowls (1992, 1993, 1995)
Eric Dickerson: nada
Marcus Allen: Super Bowl Champ 1983
Tony Dorsett: Super Bowl Champ 1977
Marshall Faulk: Super Bowl Champ 1999
Thurman Thomas: Four very close calls, but nada
Let's assume that Bush falls into the top 10, rather than top 4, and the picture is a bit rosier. Also realize he's not just a pure rusher like Brown or Payton, he's has WR-quality hands and returns kick. Of those above only Faulk had the same ability to affect the game in multiple ways. We'll see if the Saints can get it together, particularly on D, but it wouldn't surprise me a bit if he and Brees got them a Super Bowl in the next decade.
Posted by: right | May 1, 2006 11:24:18 AM
right, rather than getting into a boring dispute over the top 10 running backs, let me return to the core point: super bowl champs need top-notch skill players, without question. but there have been loads of superbowl champs (30 of 40 by your standards) that haven't had one of the top 10 running backs (by your standards) in history.
there have been zero super bowl champs without one of the best offensive lines and defenses in the game that season, and there have been maybe 2 or 3 super bowl champs without one of the game's top-notch qbs.
notice why new orleans drafted bush: because they couldn't get a good enough offer for that spot. now why do you think that is?
as i said in the other thread, if you've already got all the other pieces and you luck into a top 3 draft position, great, go get reggie bush (or that year's equivalent). but i don't really think that we can say the new orleans saints are a top-notch running back away from the super bowl.
Posted by: howard | May 1, 2006 12:01:06 PM
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