Hmmm...I feel like I should be expressing opinions on this draft, but I don't have any real sources of information about it apart from what I've read on the usual spots. So folks should comment away, maybe someone has something more interesting to say. I will note that the Wizards already drafted two tall dudes -- Peter John Ramos, Andray Blatche -- considered to be in need of development who they proceeded to not play at all. Now they've added two more such dudes -- Pecherov and Veremeenko -- and I wonder if any of them are going to get playing time at all. Now, obviously, you don't want to put guys on the floor who can't contribute. But if you're not going to put the guys on the floor, how are they supposed to develop? I dunno. It might make sense to keep at least one white dude on the roster just as a good luck charm or something.
June 29, 2006 | Permalink
I think Isiah might have been confused when he drafted Renaldo Balkman, thinking that he was actually picking Rolando Blackman. And one of my fellow Pistons fans on-line expressed surprise that Will Blalock fell to Detroit at the end of the second round, since Isiah could easily have picked him under the assumption that he was really Mookie Blaylock.
Okay, wait, Simmons says "The list of NBA teams that won an NBA title with a point guard who couldn't shoot looks like this:"1. (empty)2. (empty)3. (empty)I seem to recall the Spurs winning titles in 2003 and 2005 with Tony Parker as their point guard. I don't know if you quite want to say that '05 Edition Parker "couldn't shoot" but he wasn't very good and the '03 Edition definitely couldn't shoot.
Speaking of the Spurs, Avery Johnson in '99 was even less reliable of an outside shooter than Tony Parker '03.
Although in partial defense of Simmons, he brought it up with respect to the Celtics getting Rajon Rondo from Kentucky. Having seen the guy play a lot, he makes the aforementioned Spurs point guards look like Jerry West from the outside.
Ah, I see that Simmons already made the Rolando Blackman joke last night. But I did actually come up with that one on my own, in case anyone feels like believing me.
My head's still spinning. And not just from Tyrus Thomas' purple sweater.
Re: the Celtics, I can't even begin to judge until I find out what moves Ainge is going to make (and he explicitly said "we're not done") - if this is the roster they go into the season with, I say it's a C+ draft because I have to respect Ainge's eye for talent until he gives me a reason not to, so I'll get on board with his favoring Telfair over any other point (and then, much more skeptically, Rondo over M. Williams). But I imagine *some* deal (whether the Iverson one or something else) is gonna happen.
(Re: Simmons' "point guards who can't shoot comment" - I thought of Parker too, but then I realized, like Haggai, that Rondo's reputation is that he *really* can't shoot: Darius Miles/Eric Snow territory, not Parker/Kidd territory.)
Otherwise I kind of feel like everybody should've drafted Roy, but hey. (I approve of Jordan picking Morrison over Gay, but I don't like taking him over Roy, in particular - not for Charlotte's needs.) I feel like "the top 6" were over-hyped to create *some* sense of separation, and besides, it seems to me like most years the best player went somewhere from 5-15, so in a decade we'll probably all be wondering how nine teams passed up a shot at Saer Sene.
Posted by: Quarterican | Jun 29, 2006 12:55:21 PM
Haggai - I believe you, since I made the same name as soon as they showed the guy's name on the screen. I'm embarrassed for Simmons for thinking he's the only one to come up with it. Nice job on the Blalock joke though (for your friend, I guess).
What is the difference between Roy and Foye, by the way? One's the "best all-around player in college" and the other is "the next Dwyane Wade" (according to Dickie V, notwithstanding the lack of driving dunk highlights of Foye at 'Nova).
Posted by: T:Porter | Jun 29, 2006 1:00:38 PM
One's the "best all-around player in college" and the other is "the next Dwyane Wade" (according to Dickie V, notwithstanding the lack of driving dunk highlights of Foye at 'Nova).
There's seems to be a general problem of hype inflation. I seem to recall Chad Ford simultaneously writing that if Bargnani lives up to hopes he'll be the next Nowitzki and that Tyrus Thomas has "the most upside" of anyone in the draft and that it's a draft lacking in superstar caliber players. How much upside could Thomas possibly have if Bargnani's is "could be Dirk" and Thomas has more? Dirk's a top-five player!
I'm never exactly clear if upside = ceiling, or if upside = distance between current status and ceiling. If it's the latter, then we can have Bargnani turning out to be Dirk while Thomas improves the most from now until his peak.
Posted by: Quarterican | Jun 29, 2006 1:13:44 PM
"Rondo's reputation is that he *really* can't shoot: Darius Miles/Eric Snow territory"
Don't slander Snow. In the year the Sixers went to the Finals, Snow had a reasonably reliable jump shot when the defenses left him open. He even knocked down the game winner in Game 7 against Milwaukee.
Of course, Snow could actually play ball at the NBA level back then...
This draft has two possible outcomes:
1) On the high side it will be like 2001, which had a few genuinely good players early (Gasol, Richardson, Jefferson, Joe Johnson) and a couple sleepers (notably Gilbert and Tony Parker, also Bobby Simmons, Zach Randolph, etc.) and otherwise basically nothing.
2) More likely, it will be like 2000, where the best player is one no one was expecting (Michael Redd), and the lottery picks ranged from disastrous (Marcus Fizer #4, Jerome Moiso #11) to "maybe one day I'll be the 12th man on the all star team" (Kenyon Martin, Mike Miller). I think that's where we're heading here.
I think Roy was the best player taken in the lottery, and if he's as good as Mike Miller, Portland should consider themselves satisfied.
Posted by: right | Jun 29, 2006 1:20:41 PM
right, at one point in time Snow was an NBA player. But check out his shooting %s in Cleveland: last year he was .382 from the field, brought it up to .409 this year. Last year he shot a "losing the touch" .738 from the line, which fell to .688 this year. It's not fair to harp on his 3P%, since he only took 45 last year and 10 this year, but what the hell: .289 and .100. His career %s aren't great either, but you're right that he had a good run for a couple of years very early this decade.
Posted by: Quarterican | Jun 29, 2006 1:28:19 PM
Knicks fans think they've got it bad? Billy King makes Isiah Thomas look like Geoff Petrie.
The Sixers drafted another 6' 6" swingman last night. This means their 15 player roster will now consist of Iverson, Webber, and thirteen 6' 6" swingmen between the ages of 20 and 25.
It's like King is trying to construct the Atlanta Hawks roster, but without all that bothersome height.
I seem to recall the Spurs winning titles in 2003 and 2005 with Tony Parker as their point guard. I don't know if you quite want to say that '05 Edition Parker "couldn't shoot" but he wasn't very good and the '03 Edition definitely couldn't shoot.
The Bulls won three with Ron Harper, didn't they? Granted, Kerr was coming off the bench for them, and he could shoot.
Posted by: strannix | Jun 29, 2006 4:13:43 PM
Anyone else think the Hawks made a good decision with Shelden Williams? In two or three years, the Hawks are going to be a contender.
Posted by: a | Jun 29, 2006 4:37:14 PM
"The Bulls won three with Ron Harper, didn't they?"
Doesn't count, just like BJ Armstrong doesn't count.
None of the MJ/Pippen title winning teams involved much ball handling on the part of the point guard.
Championship point guards who can't shoot? I say Dennis Johnson. And although Mo Cheeks hit some shots, I wouldn't want him taking many of them from the outside. Toney was the team's shooter.
I'm a Kentucky fan and Rondo is light years more athletic than any other guard in this draft. I watched him in high school too. He's a rare athlete. And it isn't just that, he has great court awareness and point guard instincts. As far as shooting he hit three game winning shots from the outside last year when he wasn't overthinking his shot. Which is hard not to do with Tubby standing there holding your leash really tight so he can yank you out of the game at the slightest provocation.
As far as the rest of the draft, Jay Bilas and Dick Vitale have a collective understanding of the way the NBA works that is two notches below Zeke's. And that made it hard to watch. The Foye hype is a great example. The inexplicable Kyle Lowry love is another. Bilas actually said he'd take Lowry over Rondo in a fight, as if that had anything to do with basketball. I suppose to him the NBA is just another pro wrestling league.
Posted by: keatssycamore | Jun 29, 2006 9:11:24 PM
As a Florida fan, I was much more impressed with the way that Balkman played us than the way Rondo did. Not only did Balkman and SC beat UF twice, but they also won back to back NIT titles. Now I'm not suggesting that Zeke should have selected Balkman in the first round, but I do think the kid can play. Defensively, he totally shut down Corey Brewer. Rondo, on the other hand, is lucky if he weighs 100 lbs dripping wet. What is it with the skeletal people (Tayshaun) from Kentucky? He totally disappeared against Florida, at least in the second game, and UK was swept by UF. As a point guard, I don't see Rondo doing much of anything except passing the ball. He's not physically as tough as AI, and smaller guys like Rip and Reggie always need/needed to be moving to get their shot.
Posted by: Just Karl | Jun 29, 2006 10:56:57 PM
Dunno about Balkman. I didn't see all that much of him, but it seemed to me as though he's a poor-man's Jerome Williams. You get a lot of energy, but what else? The Junk Yard Dog wasn't all that great a player. But the important thing was that Isaiah didn't pick Marcus Williams, who seems to me as though he can be a pretty good PG.
Posted by: Al | Jun 30, 2006 10:11:56 AM
If New Jersey can pick up a good PF who can run, bang, rebound, and defend the lane, they'll be in good shape -- certainly armed well to challenge Miami and Detroit. (Wilcox? Nene? Gooden? Reggie Evans??)
Posted by: next big thing | Jun 30, 2006 11:43:44 AM
"If New Jersey can pick up a good PF who can run, bang, rebound, and defend the lane, they'll be in good shape -- certainly armed well to challenge Miami and Detroit. (Wilcox? Nene? Gooden? Reggie Evans??)"
I'm under the impression that NJ doesn't have anywhere close to the room under the luxury tax for any of those guys...
Perhaps they might want to consider moving VC and RJ to Philly for Chris Webber? C-Webb can't run or defend the lane anymore, but he's a good PF who can certainly bang and rebound. And I think the contracts would just about work. Please contact Billy King immediately.
(Just by the law of averages, shouldn't there be at least one GM in the league stupider than Billy King for him to dump his mistakes on? And if you think Isiah is stupider, you obviously aren't very familiar with Billy King.)
Perhaps they might want to consider moving VC and RJ to Philly for Chris Webber?
VC and RJ for Webber? I wouldn't deal either one of them alone for Webber.
Posted by: a | Jun 30, 2006 1:18:00 PM
"VC and RJ for Webber? I wouldn't deal either one of them alone for Webber."
Fair enough. How bout VC, RJ, and Marcus Williams for Webber, then? I think the contracts will just about work. I'd even throw Johnny Salmons into the mix to keep NJ happy.
One advantage for NJ that you're missing is that having Webber on the floor will make Jason Kidd actually look quick again.
Seriously, someone's going to have to take a hit if we're going to keep Iverson in Philly...
Seriously, someone's going to have to take a hit if we're going to keep Iverson in Philly...
I don't think you are. Not saying he'll end up in Boston (I'd say Boston, Atlanta and Golden State look like the most plausible scenarios to me), but I think he's gone, which will make me sad, since while I want him to get a ring I'd also like to see him (and other players) stay where they started.
Of course, I won't be sad if he comes to Boston (where, of the places I named, he has the best shot to get a ring; not that it'd be likely, just that it'd be more likely than in GS or ATL).
But I will be sad if bringing him to Boston ends up costing Al Jefferson (not that Jefferson is now or maybe ever will be as good as AI, I just think it becomes a nonsensical deal for the Cs from every perspective except marketing).
Posted by: Quarterican | Jun 30, 2006 1:55:17 PM
Petey- Isiah Thomas will pay you a $2.4 mil, increasing contract over the next four years to be a Knicks front office consultant.
Grab your helmet and get crackin'!
Posted by: Greg | Jun 30, 2006 1:55:58 PM
Fair enough. How bout VC, RJ, and Marcus Williams for Webber, then?
Howabout Andre Iguodala for a Lawrence Frank autographed picture and some of Cliff Robinson's used bong water?
Posted by: Al | Jun 30, 2006 2:24:37 PM
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