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Resigning
I see I stand accused of neglecting the high marginal tax rates in Canada in my Dwayne Wade post. Not really -- I gladly concede that financially Wade should stay in Miami. The question is what should Wade do if he wants to win a lot of championships. I think that he signs with the Heat he'll find that two years from now the salaries being paid to him, Shaq, Williams, and Walker don't leave much cash for other players and Shaq will be a shadow of his current self (which is, in turn, a shadow of his former self) while Williams and Walker will be bad. By contrast, if he goes to Toronto he'll be playing his prime years on what would be a crackerjack team especially since Bosh will presumably no longer be disgruntled under those circumstances. Some have suggested Orlando might be a better destination than Toronto, which may be true -- the Raptors and the Magic don't get on national television so I've seen very little of either team and don't know much about comparing them.
The guy who really should relocate, though, is Kevin Garnett who presumably could demand a trade and try to wind up in Chicago. It's even possible that such a move would be good on the merits for Minnesota which is mired in an endless sea of hopelessness at the moment and could hope to get lucky with a bunch of Bulls draft picks. By all accounts, though, he really wants to stay in Minnesota, which seems odd.
June 14, 2006 | Permalink
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I see what you're mean. But Dwayne Wade is not reel person, he is fiction character from "A Diffrent Worlde" play by Kareem Harrison.
As for Kevin Garnett, I don't get it either. I meen Minnesota has well-know four halving NEOCONS in office. Even that they had Jesse Ventura as governeor. And they're current is a NEOCON too, i thing.
Fact is Chicago has REAL AMERICANS in office. Why wood you want a state with lots of NEOCONS if can live in Illinois or even New York??
What I thing is this: With Hillary Clinton for President all the good players will goto BLUE states and the scrubs in red.
Maybe Hillary will write a declaration too make it so.
Hillary-for-President.blogspot.com
Posted by: hillary for president | Jun 14, 2006 10:48:04 AM
I totally beat Cowen to the point about taxes
Posted by: a | Jun 14, 2006 10:58:44 AM
It seems this aging Shaq character is Wade's major problem. If he wants I could bump him off.
Posted by: rewolfrats | Jun 14, 2006 12:41:45 PM
Sooner or later, everyone writes it as "Dwayne" instead of "Dwyane," as it should be. Even books make this mistake. Beware!
Posted by: Tyler Cowen | Jun 14, 2006 2:36:07 PM
Although talk this time of year is often filled with incorrect misdirection, the scuttlebutt is that Garnett is staying put, but Iverson and Pierce are on the block.
Also, there's a persistent rumor that Jermaine O'Neal is going to Toronto, not Wade.
Posted by: Petey | Jun 14, 2006 2:37:49 PM
Jermaine O'Neal is going to Toronto
For whom? Toronto already has a '4'!
Posted by: Al | Jun 14, 2006 2:47:23 PM
"For whom? Toronto already has a '4'!"
Villanueva and the #1 pick - aka Morrison. I wouldn't mind having Bosh and J.O. on the court at the same time.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Larry Bird makes Zeke look like Bryan Colangelo.
Posted by: Petey | Jun 14, 2006 2:51:57 PM
"Some have suggested Orlando might be a better destination than Toronto, which may be true -- the Raptors and the Magic don't get on national television so I've seen very little of either team and don't know much about comparing them."
Dwight Howard is a total monster. He's frightening in much the same way Amare was frightening last year. I'd much rather build around him than Bosh. If Darko develops, Orlando is the team of the future.
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And getting to see Orlando and Toronto is one of the joys of League Pass. Few teams this year were more fun to watch than Toronto, for example. They didn't play a lick of defense, but Mike James was worth the price of admission alone.
Posted by: Petey | Jun 14, 2006 2:57:26 PM
I wouldn't mind having Bosh and J.O. on the court at the same time.
Bosh doesn't want to play the '5'. J.O. isn't a '3' or a '5'. I can't see it working.
Posted by: Al | Jun 14, 2006 3:15:11 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Larry Bird makes Zeke look like Bryan Colangelo.
As I think I've said before, you need professional help. Bird is a much, much better GM(-ish; I think Walsh is doing most of the lifting) than Isiah. And I spent Bird's entire playing career hating him, and loving Isiah.
Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Jun 14, 2006 3:21:00 PM
Part of the deal with KG is that he seems to like living in the Minneapple - the town isn't big on starf****g if you don't play for the Vikings so he gets left alone more than he might in say, Chitown.
Posted by: Pooh | Jun 14, 2006 3:47:48 PM
Al -
You've IDed one of my pet peeves about the last however many years of basketball. NO ONE wants to play the 5. Bosh has a point - he is, in fact, too skinny; J.O'Neal absolutely could and should play the 5, he just doesn't *want* to and he complains about not getting help from someone to do the nitty gritty dirty work.
Posted by: Quarterican | Jun 14, 2006 4:38:15 PM
Hey, Pooh, I'll bet East Rutherford is even less "big on starf****g"... I think KG would be even happier there. Especially if he were the #3 star after JKidd and Vince.
J.O'Neal absolutely could and should play the 5, he just doesn't *want* to and he complains about not getting help from someone to do the nitty gritty dirty work.
I'm not convinced JO could play the five consistently - I guess he's big enough, but hasn't he been injured the last 2 years? Or was it just the suspension 2 years ago? But you're right - man-oh-man, after the Jersey series did he ever complain about getting no help down low. So how would he like being traded to Toronto and having to play the 5 permanently?
Posted by: Al | Jun 14, 2006 5:36:31 PM
Would anybody else LOVE to see The Answer, Allen Iverson, sign with The Problem, the New York Knicks? Don't think for a second Isiah hasn't seriously considered this.
Part of me hopes Isiah will trade for Garnett. By about game 27, KG would snap and murder Isiah right in front of MSG, spattering blood all over Spike Lee's vintage Ewing jersey. This would probably be the greatest thing ever, next to Maria Sharapova actually answering my phone calls.
Posted by: Greg | Jun 14, 2006 6:19:27 PM
"If Darko develops..."
He had his chance. Didn't Dumars keep him in the "Darko Room" for over two years?
Posted by: TERRIBLE Pun | Jun 14, 2006 6:22:00 PM
As I think I've said before, you need professional help. Bird is a much, much better GM(-ish; I think Walsh is doing most of the lifting) than Isiah.
SCMT, since we've agreed to disagree about GM Riley, I'm curious as to who you think are the best GMs in the game. If you were an owner, who would you want, and if you were a player, which manager would you trust to build you into a winner? Personally, I value a history of accomplishments (rings, conference championships, divisional titles) but I think you appreciate value, potential, and flexibility.
My list, for example, would rate Dumars (tough rap he's gettin for this year), Buford, West, and Thorn above guys like Petrie and Vandegewhe. (How can you trust anyone named Kiki?)
Posted by: Just Karl | Jun 14, 2006 7:42:33 PM
"My list, for example, would rate Dumars (tough rap he's gettin for this year), Buford, West, and Thorn above guys like Petrie and Vandegewhe."
Petrie is god.
The jury's still out on Vandegewhe.
And I don't know if it's you or SCMT that's crazy, but whoever is disparaging Riley as GM is fundamentally loose of their moorings.
Posted by: Petey | Jun 14, 2006 8:09:31 PM
Petey: I'm disparaging Riley; your support for him is of a piece with your support for Isiah.
JK: Dumars, everyone should agree about. West is the gold standard, but I'm less impressed with the last few years (though very impressed with his pickup of Stoudamire, whom I wouldn't have thought would be so valuable). Buford (if you mean Buford/Popavich) is great. Really, really like Petrie. Less sure about Thorn. Vanderweigh until he signed Martin.
I'm not being of much help. Part of the problem is that, as with coaches, there are a lot of good GMs. Rough ranking: Buford/Popa, Dumars, Petrie, Good Elgin (gawd, that scares me, but this edition of the Clips seems just about perfectly structured), whoever's at CLE (no one likes the team, but I do). Probably Vanderweigh and whoever is in charge at Dallas as well.
Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Jun 14, 2006 9:45:30 PM
Riley's hard to judge. His two key moves, obviously, are getting Wade and Shaq. But how much credit does he deserve? Are there other GM's in the league who wouldn't have pulled the trigger on that Shaq deal? Would Riley have had the vision to pick Wade over Darko or 'Melo if he'd had the opportunity? It strikes me as simply unclear whether Riley's middling or excellent or somewhere in between.
Posted by: Matthew Yglesias | Jun 15, 2006 11:52:47 AM
Wade is better right now, and if he stays healthy, will be better in the future than 'Melo. But to put 'Melo and the Darkhorse in the same breath is utter blasphemy. 'Melo is clutch, and is growing more aggressive and confident every season. He is surrounded by high-end garbage players (Patterson, Boykins, Miller etc.) and cripples (all the big men-- Nene, his ideological forebear K-Mart, and No-Knees Camby who will play 6 games next year). 'Melo came through in the clutch and willed these jokers into the playoffs despite coach "Matt Yglesias doppelganger" Karl.
j/k matt i think yr sexy!! ;)
Posted by: Greg | Jun 15, 2006 1:10:21 PM
"Riley's hard to judge. His two key moves, obviously, are getting Wade and Shaq. But how much credit does he deserve?"
It's not just this squad you have to judge him on - it's the historical record.
He built an elite team in NY around Patrick. He built an elite team in Miami around Alonzo. And now he's built another elite team.
Posted by: Petey | Jun 15, 2006 6:31:37 PM
Would Riley have had the vision to pick Wade over Darko or 'Melo if he'd had the opportunity?
Someone, maybe via True Hoop, claimed that Riley wanted Bosh, and took Wade b/c Bosh was gone.
He built an elite team in NY around Patrick. He built an elite team in Miami around Alonzo. And now he's built another elite team.
Checketts was GM in NY. In Miami, Riley was a terrible GM; he spent a lot of money to little playoff effect. Actually, maybe words like "terrible" should be reserved for Isiah; Riley was a very, very bad GM in Miami.
Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Jun 15, 2006 6:47:38 PM
"Checketts was GM in NY."
Huh. You sure? I thought Riley was GM of that team, or at least thought Starks and Mason were his finds.
But I'm not sure.
Posted by: Petey | Jun 15, 2006 6:55:36 PM
Actually, Ernie Grunfeld was GM of the team. Checketts was president. Riley was coach. Checketts brought in Riley, and that's the main thing he should be given credit for.
In terms of building the roster, though, I'd give that to Grunfeld, who predated Checketts by two years and predated Riley by 2 1/2. He's the one who made the Cartwright for Oakley trade, and he also brought in Starks (a year before Riley) and Mason (coincident with the beginning of Riley's tenure.)
Posted by: R.J. Lehmann | Jun 15, 2006 7:21:11 PM
Kind of dickish to bring facts into this, don't you think, RJ?
Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Jun 15, 2006 8:20:54 PM
Yeah, sorry aboot that. If it's any consolation, I was wrong about part of it. Cartwright-Oakley happened in '88. Grunfeld became VP of player personnel in 90 and GM in 91. He did bring in Starks and Mason (of course, he also brought in Charles Smith and Xavier McDaniel) but he can't be creditted with getting Oakley.
Posted by: R.J. Lehmann | Jun 15, 2006 8:48:04 PM
Grunfeld is a good guy.
That Knicks team. The Milwaukee Three Amigos team, no? And I like what he's been doing in Washington.
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And SCMT, you should just feel relieved that you didn't take the bait and claim you were sure before RJ stepped in.
Posted by: Petey | Jun 15, 2006 8:56:17 PM
Oy. Charles Smith. The tip-in. Bad times.
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