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"Republicans said they would seek to turn any disruptions to their advantage, by portraying protests by even independent activists as Democratic-sanctioned displays of disrespect for a sitting president." These people are really making me mad. Meanwhile, the GOP-funded swiftboat liars led by a longtime GOP hatchet man have, of course, nothing whatsoever to do with President Cheez Whiz's campaign.

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Comments

I think Kerry has an opportunity to get out in front on the protests issue. Maybe some kind of speech where he urges peaceful protest or something.

Posted by: praktike | Aug 21, 2004 3:09:36 PM

Regardless of the validity of this post's content, I think its form marks a serious drop in blogquality. Please reverse this trend!

Posted by: Glenn | Aug 21, 2004 3:19:55 PM

Historically there has been cooperation between crazies and provocateurs in this kind of situation, to the point that some individuals end up being uncertain as to which side they're on (like triple agents).

Besides using provocateurs, the police also have the option of provoking violence by trapping people with no means of escape, and then moving in on them. When some resist, the police can claim that the protesters started it.

Bloomberg is a Republican. i don't know how evil he is, and I don't know how evil the NYC tac squads and undercover people are. But in Philadelphia, a Democratic town, provocateurs did play a role at the 2000 Republican convention. (However, the provocateurs there seemed to work to minimize disorder rather than to increase it). Google "Puppet + Warehouse + Republican + Convention + Philadelphia"

Many/ most protestors are fringe people who wouldn't vote for Kerry, and Kerry shouldn't have trouble making it clear that they aren't his people. But he has to get out in front on this, instead of waiting for something happen and then trying to figure out what to do.

I may be wrong, but I expect serious violence and I expect a synchronized, pre-planned attempt to make it an anti-Kerry issue.

Your indicators of provocation are 1.) previously-unknown groups with previously-unknown leaders suddenly showing up proposing illegal activity, and 2.) leaders of these groups mysteriously disappearing from view while their followers are getting arrested.

If no violent anarchists show up naturally, I expect the republicans to invent their own.

Posted by: Zizka | Aug 21, 2004 3:27:59 PM

I think it's a good point, I mean the dichotomy between the two talking points is just astounding. It's just so audacious of them to claim that this is somehow sanctioned by the democratic party.

As if, you know, they're out buying them the paper mache or whatever the hell those ridiculous puppets are made of.

Posted by: Big Picnic | Aug 21, 2004 3:28:58 PM

Sadly, Matt, this is what turns reasonable, even handed people into "hacks." You just reach a point where you can't stand it anymore.

They are like the most annyoing, demon seed, little brothers in the world, parroting back your every word in a mocking tone and daring you not to lose your temper.

Posted by: digby | Aug 21, 2004 3:29:17 PM

Bloomberg is a Republican, or at least became one for his 2001 race. But if he tries to crack down harshly, he'll face a very angry electorate next year, who are already angry that the GOP are coming to town.

The other factor is that although some of the NYC cops are from Republican parts of Long Island, many of them aren't exactly sympathetic with the GOP. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

Posted by: phil | Aug 21, 2004 3:31:38 PM

These people are really making me mad.

Hey Matt, why are you getting so unhinged and wild-eyed? Can't you see the only proper response to a bitch-slap is to keep your head down and ask for another? When Republicans seek to destroy your reputation, after all, they're just kidding around.

Posted by: JP | Aug 21, 2004 4:21:27 PM

New motto of the Republican party: Extremism in the removal of liberty is no vice, moderation in the spending of money is no virtue.

Posted by: Aaron | Aug 21, 2004 4:58:06 PM

Speaking of protesters:

Octavo Designs fired one of their
workers after he protested at a Bush Rally
in West Virginia.

Here is the news article:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-4440418,00.html

Tell them what you think.
Here is their contact info:

Octavo Designs
MAILING ADDRESS
8 N. East Street, Suite 100
Everedy Square
Frederick, Maryland 21701
PHONE 301/695.8885
FAX 301/695.0770
EMAIL

info@8vodesigns.com
sue@8vodesigns.com
mark@8vodesigns.com
heather@8vodesigns.com

Posted by: Robin | Aug 21, 2004 5:04:39 PM

This is kinda funny.

Kerry-n-co are blaming Bush for "smearing" him, with zero evidence that Bush/Cheney '04 have any involvement with the swiftvets. But this is good!

Now Bush-n-co are gearing up to blame kedwards-n-co for the activities of various brownshirts in NYC next week, with zero evidence. But this is bad!

Partisanship->weakmindedness.

Oh God I'm looking forward to when this election is over.

Posted by: am | Aug 21, 2004 5:08:21 PM

Kerry-n-co are blaming Bush for "smearing" him, with zero evidence that Bush/Cheney '04 have any involvement with the swiftvets. But this is good!

Now Bush-n-co are gearing up to blame kedwards-n-co for the activities of various brownshirts in NYC next week, with zero evidence. But this is bad!

The key difference is that the SBVT ads are in Bush's interest, so it's a fair guess that his campaign is involved; but violent protests in NYC are not in Kerry's interest.

Posted by: DonBoy | Aug 21, 2004 5:21:24 PM

That would have been a good point if, in fact, there really was "zero evidence" of Bush-SBVT collaboration. But since there is actually a lot of evidence on that score, it's a really stupid point. It just goes to show you that how much easier it is to defend a conservative worldview if you're just willing to lie about your factual premises.

Posted by: JP | Aug 21, 2004 5:27:59 PM

Kerry in Cambodia regurgutated for decades. A liar and he has been shown to be a liar. Now, the new light is on how he spat on his own comrades in arms. What a fucking guy!

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaha!

Kerry is fucked!

Posted by: Usamabinlazylately | Aug 21, 2004 5:32:16 PM

There's lots of evidence about connections between SBV and the Republican Party. The biggest funder of the group is a big-time Republican donot and a long-time Rove associate.

I think that legally, probably this is a wash. I don't think that anyone on either side will be able to prove adequate coordination to win a legal case.

At a more common sense level, Kerry's MoveOn surrogates are a lot more honest than Bush's SBV surrogates. I don't expect the trolls to agree, of course.

Posted by: Zizka | Aug 21, 2004 5:34:34 PM

There's lots of evidence about connections between SBV and the Republican Party. The biggest funder of the group is a big-time Republican donot and a long-time Rove associate.

I think that legally, probably this is a wash. I don't think that anyone on either side will be able to prove adequate coordination to win a legal case.

At a more common sense level, Kerry's MoveOn surrogates are a lot more honest than Bush's SBV surrogates. I don't expect the trolls to agree, of course.

Posted by: Zizka | Aug 21, 2004 5:35:19 PM

Who in the world cares about Christmas in Cambodia? Those guys are going nuts.

Posted by: Zizka | Aug 21, 2004 5:37:25 PM

Zizka,
It's common knowledge amongst every veteran that the war was lost in January in Cambodia. In fact, the initials of the man who lost the war are PFD. Obviously this is John Kerry. (I'm not sure why it's not JFK.) And this is why he has been so devious over the past thirty five years--he's can't mention he's responsible for losing the war. And Democrats and the NYTimes know this and are just covering for him.

My question is where was John Kerry in 1946? I hear Argentina, getting plastic surgery, a hair transplant, and a moustache removal. Notice that his accent has changed once. Who's to say it's not the first time?

Posted by: captain smart | Aug 21, 2004 5:46:35 PM

Do you fine liberals consider Paul Galanti a "swiftboat liar"? Or, how about Jeremiah Denton? Or the twenty other odd Vietnam POWs that support the Swift Boat Vets? Are they all robots controlled by the Rove collective? Please enlighten us, O Ivy-League educated ones.

First to Fight--VICTORY!!!!!

Posted by: smagar | Aug 21, 2004 6:02:14 PM

Smeg-head, er, smagar, the former POWs being pissed at Kerry for speaking out against the Vietnam War after he returned has nothing to do with his combat heroism, which the not-so-swift boaters are trying to tear down.

Posted by: Hank Scorpio | Aug 21, 2004 6:19:12 PM

I think such an attempt to claim that whatever happens are "democratic-sanctioned" - well obviously whoever says that is being negative and shrill and losing their cool

Posted by: paul | Aug 21, 2004 6:33:35 PM

Every time I hear a Republican utter the words "respect for a sitting president" I want to puke on his wingtips. I have a certain memory of how much they adhered to that position in the 90s. And the only place this president is sitting is in a shitpile of his own making. A deep one.

Posted by: DrBB | Aug 21, 2004 6:57:27 PM

Isn't kinda curious that just after the Democratic National Convention and just before the Republican National Convention a whole bunch of new trolls show up on this comment board?

Posted by: Walt Pohl | Aug 21, 2004 7:00:00 PM

All of the "protesters" are simply fronts for the John Kerry campaign. If there is any violence here in NYC during the convention, we will know that it was ordered by the Kerry campaign.

Posted by: Al | Aug 21, 2004 7:00:05 PM

How bad do we want to win? Do they want it more than us? That may be all it takes.

I am tired of whining, and I am tired of the circular firing squads. I am tired of parsing Bush's every policy word for a small discrepancy.
I am tired of CheezWhiz.

I want to talk about Laura killing her boyfriend. Why don't I know that story? That is as much as I know.

I want to call Larry Flynt about the Shrub arranging the abortion.

Posted by: bob mcmanus | Aug 21, 2004 7:06:58 PM

About a dozen, maybe two dozen, of the SBV's have any factual knowledge at all. The others were just recruited to sign meaningless affidavits which were not based on personal knowledge and have no weight whatsoever.

Jeremiah Denton was a one-term Senator from Alabama because he was too loony even for that fine state.

I think that was fake Al just now. Distinguishing his actual stupidity from the fake stupidity is like winetasting. You need a discriminating, if not sensitive, palate.

Posted by: Zizka | Aug 21, 2004 7:11:40 PM

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