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The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly

I'll be back in my hometown of New York City for the 2004 Republican Convention, spending some time on a Prospect credential and some time hanging out with the other independent progressive bloggers come to document the goings on. I know New York pretty well, and I know that New Yorkers (a) don't like Republicans, (b) regard 9-11 as their tragedy and don't like to see it exploited by Republicans they don't like, (c) don't like seeing traffic all fucked up, (d) don't like tourists, and (e) did I mention they don't like Republicans. I mean, Bush is really hated. NYC has got to be the least Republican place on the planet this side of the Gaza Strip. It even passed through the whole realignment thing unaffected -- give us Lincoln and we won't vote for him, the City went for McGovern and it went for Mondale. It really hates Republicans.

So, speaking personally, I'm torn between a desire to see New York kick some ass and really teach the GOP a lesson for having the balls to repeatedly screw the city over on counterterrorism stuff, then show up in town trying to gay bash and 9-11ify their way to reelection, and a fear that over-the-top protests will bolster Bush's reelection effort.

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NYC is home to Wall Street, so it has some Republicans. Plus it's home to a fair number of recent Eastern European immigrants, many of whom lean GOP on anti-communist grounds, right?

Either San Francisco or Seattle are probably the least Republican places on the planet. That's my guess.

Posted by: niq | Aug 14, 2004 1:21:54 AM

New Orleans is pretty high up on that list too.

Posted by: Gozer | Aug 14, 2004 1:36:54 AM

Yeah, I love this place.

Posted by: patrick | Aug 14, 2004 1:40:20 AM

It does seem to like to elect Republican mayors. I know NYC Republicans aren't like Texas Republicans, but they are Republicans.

Posted by: TreeTop | Aug 14, 2004 2:29:22 AM

Most college towns can be considered more anti-Republican per capita than New York.

Posted by: digamma | Aug 14, 2004 3:47:59 AM

College towns per capita? Fifteen thousand liberal college students doesn't mean much compared to a gazillion New Yorkers, even if there are enough conservatives there to dilute the pool a bit. Per capita? I mean, sure, my three dedicated liberal roomates and I are per capita more liberal than New York City, but . . .

Posted by: Kriston | Aug 14, 2004 4:15:37 AM

If Bush is really hated in NYC, then how does the very Bush-friendly New York Post manage to get readers?

I'm curious because virtually every editorial, op-ed, and story is anti-Kerry and disdainful of Democrats. Is the NYPost readership outside the city limits? Or is it a loss-leader paid for by Murdoch?

Posted by: Quiddity | Aug 14, 2004 4:19:43 AM

This quote is five years old, but I believe it is still true today:

"Lou Colasuonno, former news editor at the Post and (briefly) editor at the News, estimates that the Post loses between $15 million and $20 million a year for Rupert Murdoch's News Corp. In September 1997, former New York magazine media columnist Elizabeth Lesly, after combing through detailed Australian financial disclosure documents, reported that the Post lost $34 million in fiscal 1996 and $21 million in 1995. The Post will not discuss finances."

http://archives.cjr.org/year/99/2/tabwars.asp

Posted by: Joel | Aug 14, 2004 6:53:17 AM

Hey, at least here in DC we don't elect Republican mayors and Republicans can only get elected to the city council as at-large members when only one Democrat is allowed to be nominated.

Posted by: Michael Rebain | Aug 14, 2004 7:16:18 AM

I just heard Bush's new ad. He said he couldn't imagine which child to pick up 1st after 9-11. We only have one kid so it wasn't too tough for my wife to figure out which one. Me? I was stuck trudging back to midtown from downtown. As you can guess, most of us down there were worried about our immediate situation.

Anyway. St. Rudy of the RNC. He didn't see his own kids for seven days after the attack. Family guy.

Posted by: Wren | Aug 14, 2004 8:50:35 AM

>> NYC is home to Wall Street, so it has some Republicans.

actually most wall streeters (traders, etc ... ) are democrats - the economic/finance positions of democratic administrations are usually filled w/ high ranking people plucked from wall street firms

>> If Bush is really hated in NYC, then how does the very Bush-friendly New York Post manage to get readers?

- the post loses $$$
- nobody here takes the post seriously - its about as credible as "The News of the World" - but "page six" and other stuff make it trashy fun and you can pick it up at the newsstand for just 25c on your way to the subway

most republicans in nyc come from middle-class sububurbia - long island - the place that has given to the world the likes of hannity and o'reilly


Posted by: JohnM | Aug 14, 2004 9:04:25 AM


He said he couldn't imagine which child to pick up 1st after 9-11.


Well, yes. Cheney not reachable, and Karl Rove's instant polling results unavailable,
it was hard for the guy, having to imagine something for himself. He's a leader, not someone for the small things of life.

Posted by: hackery | Aug 14, 2004 9:06:16 AM

Joel,

Yes, NY is a Democrat bastion, but take it easy on the Post. A lot of papers lose money. Fact is, the NY Post does pretty well in NY for a number of reasons: (1) it has the best sports page around; (2)good tabloid gossip, etc. (remember the reference to Page 6 in "Working Girl?"); and (3) even in NY, at least 20% of readers think the other papers are too liberal. Given the population, that is a pretty good market. And, as far as I know, it has not been accused of padding circulation numbers like Newsday.

Posted by: hanke | Aug 14, 2004 9:11:14 AM

I was in your home town last week, as a tourist, and found the locals most helpful as we made our way around on the subway looking bewildered. Many volunteered directions without being asked. I have often wondered how New Yorkers get their reputation for rudeness, because that's not our experience.

As we were eating in a restaurant we exchanged a few words with two women at a table about 4 inches from ours, and they were, sad to say, Bush supporters. One woman's husband worked across from the Stock Exchange, so that explains her.

I shook hands with Senator Charles Schumer - a thrill for this political wonk - as he was going to speak at a labor convention at our hotel.

Posted by: janeboatler | Aug 14, 2004 9:20:20 AM

"So, speaking personally, I'm torn between a desire to see New York kick some ass and really teach the GOP a lesson for having the balls to repeatedly screw the city over on counterterrorism stuff, then show up in town trying to gay bash and 9-11ify their way to reelection, and a fear that over-the-top protests will bolster Bush's reelection effort."


How nuanced! How New York! How Dalton! These are some magnificent posts, truly great. They work near wall street and that explains it?

Please please come up here and protest. Please please please help yourself to the park. It's the "people's park" after all. Do pleae use the park. And get really really made at GWB, that moron, who is telling you DO NOT USE CENTRAL PARK. Show that moron liar you can use the park to protest any time you want.

Posted by: Michael Murphy | Aug 14, 2004 9:54:20 AM

If Bush is really hated in NYC, then how does the very Bush-friendly New York Post manage to get readers?

Hip, upmarket New Yorkers read it as an exercise is irony, and for the gossip. Down-market, less educated New Yorkers either don't focus on the Post's bias or they agree with it.

Posted by: P.B. Almeida | Aug 14, 2004 9:58:58 AM

As an NYC weboy who loves his adopted hometown, I tend to agree about the dilemma, but don't overlook what the overall demographics can mask - there are plenty of "Republicans" in New York. However, they are the sort of Republicans that conservatives call RINO - i.e. "in name only". This is the problem Bush has in the northeast, or conversely the problem northeastern Republicans have with their own party - they'd be happy to vote for the GOP, and many of them do, but the socially conservative, Southern voice that overhwelms the party's message makes them extremely uncomfortable and, up here, unelectable. These are old-fashioned, wealthy "country club" republicans, and in some cases, their kids.

Look, the city has a Republican Mayor, who, in turn, replaced the Republicans' current ultimate "mayor of America." People in NYC can elect Republicans. But the ones they elect - our current anti-smoking ex-Democrat, or the cross-dressing, gay rights and abortion supporting former one - can't win national office and are barely accepted (Giuliani sits in a pleasantly unique position that works as long as he doesn't test the waters to run nationally, and that has everything to do with 9/11, obviously).

Who cares how the protests turn out, or how they look? The real problem for the GOP is basically within the hall: it's the illusion of unity that masks a party with no sense of what to do next, outside of scaring the general public to death. This from the party that derides Democrats, sometimes fairly, for scaring oldsters over Social Secvurity and Medicare.

In the long run, I am convinced, the selection of New York will look like a mistake, it's failures blamed on many, but should rest ultimately with Karl Rove, who really should have known better; and George W. Bush, a weak public speaker who will quite possibly give a terrible speech with no real new ideas in it. That, combined with ignorant gay-bashing and attempts to paper over real differences between the party's liberals and conservatives, will make the antipathy of most New Yorkers merely a colorful detail.

And most of us, like me, will be on vacation, anyway. :)

Posted by: weboy | Aug 14, 2004 10:35:45 AM

Matthew, do not fear. People are passionate, people are gathering, and people are protesting, but the only over-the-top activities that will go on will be carried out by the Bush administration inside the RNC itself.

Protestors are gearing up like never before, and there will be peaceful but passionate marches, conferences, and gatherings.

See you at the protests.

Posted by: Anjali | Aug 14, 2004 11:09:18 AM

New Yorkers also hate when 4 out of 6 entrances to penn station are closed.

The fact is that a political convention's organisers should think "We should hold this in a place where the people will actually look forward to it coming to town." New York is not that place. Tourists are one thing, but thousands of tourists with an agenda that, shall we say, doesn't jibe with our general cultural values, all of whom belong to a political party we associate with Pat Buchanan than Abe Lincoln, and demanding that our city just get the hell out of their way, well....damn, i hate republicans.

Might I add that the convention takes place during my first week of living in manhattan full time? Good thing college is on the EAST side...

The main reason I ever read the Post (and even then, I usually opt for the Daily News) is that the Post and the DN, if you read the whole thing, lasts you the length of a train ride from Long Island to Penn Station. The NYT, my paper of choice, in its entirety is about 3 hours too long. On a weekday.

--adam

Posted by: adam j. sontag | Aug 14, 2004 11:24:00 AM

JohnM: "actually most wall streeters (traders, etc ... ) are democrats - the economic/finance positions of democratic administrations are usually filled w/ high ranking people plucked from wall street firms"

That was probably true in the past, but Bush's zealous tax-cutting has probably converted a lot of Wall Streeters over to the dark side.
I read a story recently about a CSFB (I think) executive who agreed to participate in a Kerry conference call along with other pro-Kerry business leaders, and then his boss gave him a good scolding.

Hanke: you list reasons why NY Post might get readers. Besides sports and gossip, don't forget that it has a well-regarded business news section. Of course, if you want to read a tabloid in the morning with your breakfast, or on the subway, NY Daily News is superior in all regards. They do the best job of covering NYC of any newspaper, including the Times.

Posted by: next big thing | Aug 14, 2004 11:28:10 AM

New York is not the most Democratic town. But it is the best town for scraping some of the bark off of those sons-of-bitches.

Posted by: Social Scientist | Aug 14, 2004 11:51:11 AM

How can NYC hate Republicans when it always elects Republican mayors.

The last time NYC had a democratic mayor, Kurt Cobain was alive.

Posted by: sdf | Aug 14, 2004 12:05:25 PM

Even San Francisco has elected Republican mayors, and not all that long ago.

Posted by: janet | Aug 14, 2004 12:14:57 PM

Kurt Cobain didn't die an overwhelmingly long time ago. And that was two mayors ago. A few terms, but only two mayors.

--adam

Posted by: adam | Aug 14, 2004 12:29:38 PM

Quiddity asks: If Bush is really hated in NYC, then how does the very Bush-friendly New York Post manage to get readers?

The Post is Rupert Murdoch's personal vanity press. It loses millions of dollars a year, and its circulation numbers are barely a pimple on the Daily News's ass. The moment Murdoch dies or retires, and News Corp starts actually being run for the benefit of its shareholders rather than its psychopathic CEO, the Post is history.

sdf asks the reasonable question: How can NYC hate Republicans when it always elects Republican mayors.

Blame for that can be pretty much equally apportioned out between Ed Koch, David Dinkens and Al Sharpton. Even the staunchest of liberals can reach their limit of terminal incompetence and corruption from their own side.

Posted by: Doctor Memory | Aug 14, 2004 12:35:28 PM

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