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AARP Steps Up
As has been widely rumored, the AARP is going to play for the good guys in the Social Security debate instead of reprising their Medicare performance from 2003. I caution the Democrats, however, against an overreliance on the AARP as the key strategy here. The AARP's expertise is in targeting seniors, which is important, but only part of the game. And the message described in The New York Times article -- roughly, "the stock market is risky" -- will only get you so far. As long as young voters are convinced that Social Security is going to vanish in a cloud of crisis-induced smoke some time before we retire, then private accounts can be as risky as you like and people will still support them. The case against the crisis mentality needs to be paid.
What I really don't know how you do in a sound-bite, but which is also important, is something that gets to the difference between social insurance and a retirement plan. Social Security is a social insurance plan that insures working people against disability, death of a breadwinner, or some combination of longetivity and low earnings that would make retirement with dignity impossible. Private account schemes simply don't do this. Most proposals would leave a disability insurance program in place, but completely eliminate the longetivity/low earnings insurance. People who earn little will have little in the way of an account balance, and people who live longer will simply have to stretch their money further. Talk of average returns and so forth obscures all this. The whole point of social insurance is to compress the range of outcomes, reducing downside risk through methods that limit upside gains. Moving the mean point around isn't the point. On average, fire insurance is a bad idea, since very few people's homes actually burn down. This is the only way for companies to make a profit selling the stuff. People don't buy fire insurance to maximize their expected financial outcome, they do it because avoiding the possibility of catastrophic loss is worth something to people. For fires, private insurance works well enough so we don't have social insurance. Hedging against longevity on the private market, however, will be extremely difficult thanks to adverse selection. Hence social insurance, which Bush wants to eliminate.
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For fires, private insurance works well enough so we don't have social insurance.
Well, that's not really true. What else is a publicly funded fire department that provides free service if you have a fire break out except a social insurance mechanism that pays out if a fire breaks out? Sure, the payout is "in kind" rather than "in cash", but, nonetheless, its a social insurance mechanism.
Posted by: cmdicely | Dec 30, 2004 2:20:15 PM
it's good to finally start seeing the SS discussion framed in terms of insurance, which is in fact what its original purpose was. I saw a similar post in Angry Bear today as well, and in my own e-mails to privatizers I've tried to make the similar point.
This needs to become a much more important part of the debate: the difference between retirement plans and income insurance. Defined contribution plans should be encouraged, but not at the cost of dismantling our insurance program.
Posted by: Bruce K | Dec 30, 2004 2:21:28 PM
What is adverse selection? (Thanks in advance.)
Posted by: Ethical Werewolf | Dec 30, 2004 2:26:32 PM
Yes, the social insurance versus individual investment plan is a vital fact that is almost always overlooked. I also have no idea how turn the point into a sound bite. But it needs to be emphasized, loudly and often. As does the concomitant point that social security pays disability and survivor benefits, not just retirement benefits.
Posted by: Paleo | Dec 30, 2004 2:33:26 PM
We really need to have our own message in the upcoming fight to "Phase Out" Social Security.
Posted by: Paul | Dec 30, 2004 2:37:02 PM
Most proposals would leave a disability insurance program in place, but completely eliminate the longetivity/low earnings insurance.
Matt: why are you leaving the reality-based community? Do you think there's any possibility that a proposal will reach the president's desk, or even come up for an up or down vote, that eliminates social insurance?
I commented on this a couple of days ago, and was roundly criticised for ignoring some words recently uttered by Bush in favor of the principal of defined contribution plans. I still think such talk (that is, elimination of social insurance) is demagoguing the issue. Indeed, one piece of evidence I fogot to cite, but will do now, is the oft-mentioned price tag for the presiden't purported plans: $2 trillion. This is a number consistent with the cost to the government of the two points of FICA diversion -- not of a wholesale move to privatization.
For any type of social insurance elimination plan to work, wage earners would have to be allowed to divert (at least, I'd say) the entire 6% of their own paycheck deduction. The costs to the government would be stratospheric. I'm not saying one couldn't devise a plan to pay for even this scale of change; but I am skeptical we're likely to see anything like this eminate from Capitol Hill.
Much more likely is what we've all been hearing: a plan that keeps a substantial (2/3 or so) portion of guaranteed social insurance permanently in place, accompanied by private, bequeathable, accounts (highly regulated in the investment options, too) generated over time by a diversion of two points of FICA.
Posted by: P.B. Almeida | Dec 30, 2004 2:41:49 PM
Ethical Werewolf, 'adverse selection' means that, in this case, an annuity (a lifetime stream of payments) is a good buy for somebody with a long life expectancy. If you were 65, in good health, with parents and grand-parents who had lived to (say) 95, an annuity would be a good deal. You would probably collect for 30 years. If you were 65, in poor health, and had already lived to an older age than your parents and grandparents had, an annuity would not make sense - you'd probably only collect for a few years.
This means that annuities are probably priced under assumptions of a longer than average life expectancy. That means that you'd pay through the nose for one.
Social Security acts as an annuity. If you live to 105, you keep getting paid. It's also a disability insurance program - my brother is on it right now, and has been since his early 40's.
Posted by: Barry | Dec 30, 2004 2:48:06 PM
As President Bush ramps up his campaign for Social Security privatization, it looks like Democrats will once again win the battle of facts while losing the war of ideas.
While his proposals are widely viewed as bad public policy and enjoy only lukewarm public support, regardless of its outcome Bush's crusade for Social Security reform will likely cement the positive image of the Republicans as the "party of choice." And apparently unaware of the largers stakes, it looks like the Democrats once again will do nothing to prevent it...
For more, see:
"The Party of Choice"
Posted by: Jon | Dec 30, 2004 2:49:01 PM
Borrowing is the only funding mechanism Bush seems to allow to fund his scheme.
Would you lend your lazy cousin money to play the stock market? Would a bank?
This is the analogy I've been playing with. Since the loan requires interest payments, the market investment has to earn interest-plus to be profitable. Is this a good idea?
Posted by: John Kubie | Dec 30, 2004 3:03:09 PM
Longetivity once is a typo. Twice is an embarrassment.
Posted by: Insulted | Dec 30, 2004 3:23:13 PM
PB Almeida is right. Does Matthew have a lot of extra straw around the house or something? Nobody is talking about ELIMINATING the social insurance part of it. Sheesh.
Posted by: Al | Dec 30, 2004 3:28:00 PM
Here's a shot:
Retirement is a three-legged stool. The three legs are social security (an insurance program), pensions, and private savings (both of which involve risk but take advantage of the prospect of higher returns).
Bush wants to kick out the insurance leg.
Posted by: praktike | Dec 30, 2004 3:31:10 PM
One other point: the "social insurance" part of Social Security only works if you have some assurance that you will get paid when the time comes for payment. But, of course, we all know that there is a great risk that people Matthew's age (and mine) will NOT get paid, since even under current law there won't be anough money to pay them.
So really, all that is being proposed is transferring such persons' LEGISLATIVE risk (the risk that Congress does nothing - or even cuts benefits - such that the "insureds" will not be paid their promised insurance) into MARKET risk.
Posted by: Al | Dec 30, 2004 3:32:25 PM
Bush wants to kick out the insurance leg.
Utterly false. Bush want to reduce the size of the insurance leg and increase the size of the private savings leg.
Posted by: Al | Dec 30, 2004 3:33:56 PM
Fire departments can be and are privatized in many townships, a surprise to many big city kids (such as me) who move there. They work exactly as the tax-funded ones.
However, the whole "private" insurance industry is heavily regulated, both explicitly (by state insurance commissioners) and implicitly (by those evil trial lawyers). Reason? Because when the whole concept of insurance really got rolling in the late 1800s there was - and I bet you don't see this coming - a lot of fraud, bankruptcy, failure to pay out, and default. Surprise.
So now we have a quasi-private insurance industry. Who will regulate the quasi-private Social Security industry?
Cranky
Posted by: Cranky Observer | Dec 30, 2004 3:39:24 PM
But, of course, we all know that there is a great risk that people Matthew's age (and mine) will NOT get paid, since even under current law there won't be anough money to pay them.
Al, we all know that Social Security will still pay out at least 70% of promised benefits to recipients after 2042, even if nothing is done under what are also rather pessimistic assumptions about the economy of the U.S. So calm yourself down a bit here.
Posted by: David W. | Dec 30, 2004 3:58:09 PM
Nobody is talking about ELIMINATING the social insurance part of it.
False. Bush has explicitly said that his goal is to replace SS's defined benefit plan with a defined contribution plan (presumably, the partial privatization [non-]plan being kicked around, which does that only partially, is only Phase I). A defined contribution system with no benefit guarantee eliminates the social insurance aspect of Social Security. So, Bush has said that the goal is eliminating social insurance -- inasmuch as eliminating defined benefit is equivalent to that.
Admittedly, no one has seriously mooted a specific policy proposal which achieves the objective Bush has laid out, but the objective has been explicitly laid out.
Posted by: cmdicely | Dec 30, 2004 3:58:25 PM
In insurance people who are likely going to collect pay higher premiums, based on certain behavioral and demographic characteristics.
But how do we account for the fact that African-Americans, who don't live as long, pay just the same premium (payroll tax rate) as white people who make the same amount of money, even though one is statistically likely to live longer.
This is hardly an original point, but if your argument *revolves* around the social insurance argument, one that must be answered for in the design of the system. Perversely, as long as social security benefits aren't bequeathable, smokers should get payroll tax discounts!
Posted by: Andrew Winerman | Dec 30, 2004 4:03:45 PM
The fire analogy is very illuminating.
1) As observed above, the local fire department is
a social insurance scheme
2) Most homeowners have a mortgage, and that forces
them to buy insurance
3) In the "good old days", the first firefighters
were private operations funded by private
insurance companies - you paid a subscription,
and that entitled you to the service of the
firefighters if your house was burning down.
No payment, no service.
4) If your neighbor's house was burning down, and
he hadn't paid, then the firefighters wouldn't
come out. In the best case, this leaves your
neighbor homeless; in the worst case, the fire
spreads to your house.
And if we do away with social insurance, we'll
see just the same kind of thing - if someone
in your family or community is not adequately
provided for, the family or community will
be stuck with the burden.
Posted by: Richard Cownie | Dec 30, 2004 4:10:41 PM
P.B. Almeida:
Much more likely is what we've all been hearing: a plan that keeps a substantial (2/3 or so) portion of guaranteed social insurance permanently in place, accompanied by private, bequeathable, accounts (highly regulated in the investment options, too) generated over time by a diversion of two points of FICA.
Possible, but unlikely. More likely is a plan that requires the conversion of a private account into an annuity at retirement. Of course, purchasing inflation-adjusted annuities is extremely expensive.
It's also worth remembering that if the purchase of an annuity isn't required, "bequeathable" accounts will only be there to be bequeathed if you die early or are extremely lucky with investments. If you live longer than normal or are unlucky, it will be gone before your death, and there will be nothing to bequeath.
Finally, as cmdicely says, the objective of completely eliminating Social Security has been explicitly asserted. Although diverting any FICA taxes is an important step in this direction, it may or may not be politically possible in the US. They pulled it off in Chile, but it required killing several thousand Chileans.
Posted by: A Tiny | Dec 30, 2004 4:18:24 PM
Bush has explicitly said that his goal is to replace SS's defined benefit plan with a defined contribution plan (presumably, the partial privatization [non-]plan being kicked around, which does that only partially, is only Phase I). A defined contribution system with no benefit guarantee eliminates the social insurance aspect of Social Security. So, Bush has said that the goal is eliminating social insurance -- inasmuch as eliminating defined benefit is equivalent to that.
Hey, as long as we're making up sh*t, can we also say that the Democrats' "plan" is to foce Social Security into bankruptcy? Great!
So, tell me, cmdicely, why do the Democrats insist on BANKRUPTING Social Security?
Posted by: Al | Dec 30, 2004 4:30:45 PM
Perversely, as long as social security benefits aren't bequeathable, smokers should get payroll tax discounts!
Smokers are just less risk averse in their Social Security investments than non-smokers.
Posted by: Rambuncle | Dec 30, 2004 4:39:42 PM
Hey, as long as we're making up sh*t, can we also say that the Democrats' "plan" is to foce Social Security into bankruptcy?
That would be making things up, yes. Bush has said he wants a defined contribution plan, not a defined benefit plan. Since a defined contribution plan does not pay out based on fixed criteria if you pay your "premium", but rather has variable results based on the performance of the particular funds you choose, it is not a social insurance program (unless you view it as insurance "against" making good investment decisions). A defined benefit plan is insurance against whatever the criteria are that trigger the defined benefits.
Posted by: cmdicely | Dec 30, 2004 4:44:38 PM
Admittedly, no one has seriously mooted a specific policy proposal which achieves the objective Bush has laid out, but the objective has been explicitly laid out.
Well, the "objective" for eliminating the income tax has been laid out by some. Likewise the "objective" of making the Midde East democratic has been laid out by others. And furthermore, the "objective" of national health insurance has also be laid out. Without a concrete proposal to change the law, the "objective" to eliminate social insurance is just another item for blogospheric debates.
cmdicely has, in fact, "laid out" my contention: namely that we will not see a proposal to eliminate guaranteed social insurance emerge from Congress, or indeed even be introduced in Congress.
Of course, I don't blame opponents of the very good idea of reform of Social Security for seizing upon the president's words to their own advantage; I'd probably do the same were our situations reversed. But in this instance, at least, the scare-mongering tactics of the Left are duly noted.
Posted by: P.B. Almeida | Dec 30, 2004 4:47:45 PM
"Of course, purchasing inflation-adjusted annuities is extremely expensive."
And pay as you go for fewer and fewer workers paying more and more retirees is not expensive? The position that 'nothing is wrong' with the current system is identical to the position that high costs on payors don't matter.
Posted by: Jason Ligon | Dec 30, 2004 4:47:56 PM
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