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Clark, Sageman, and The Next Jihad
Richard Clarke's dark scenario for the future in the current Atlantic demands a read. It drives home the point that the United States is (still) very vulnerable to al-Qaeda attacks. A relatively small number of relatively unsophisticated people could wreak enormous havoc on our country without a great deal of difficulty. But if this is so, why haven't we seen any attacks in the United States since 9/11? I think the best answer is implicit in Marc Sageman's Understanding Terror Networks.
The fundamental reality that Sageman's book, along with basic observation and some other sources, brings home is that al-Qaeda never involved a very large number of people. A lot of folks probably count in some sense as "radical Islamists" or "Salafi jihadists" or what have you, but very few are/were inclined/able to participate in terrorist attacks against the United States. A relatively high proportion of these people killed themselves on September 11, 2001. A large number of additional people were rounded up in the near aftermath of the attacks, either due to increased vigilance by western law enforcement, or else as a result of the Afghan War. This left al-Qaeda primarily active in countries that did not, immediately, take the threat very seriously. This led attacks to be mounted in such countries which, in turn, caused Morocco, Saudi Arabia, and Indonesia to start taking things more seriously and got a bunch more people rounded up. Since it really was a network -- Sageman's book is called Understanding Terror Networks -- capturing a large number of participants has had a massive disrupting effect on whoever remains.
The next question, however, becomes what of new recruitment? This is where Sageman's insights really come into play. It turns out that, contrary to much sloppy reporting, there really was no recruitment per se taking place, and the much-discussed madrassas were never really "churning out" new terrorists. Instead, in its post-Khartoum, pre-9/11 phase al-Qaeda operated like an elite American college. It put the word out that the network existed, that training was done in Afghanistan, and that you got to Afghanistan through Pakistani border towns. It put the word out that the jihad was good stuff, and issued a lot of propaganda in support of its vision. That done, no one needed to be recruited. Instead, would-be jihadis came to them, and the challenge was to get accepted.
Understood in this way, denying al-Qaeda its Afghan sanctuary has done more than many appreciate to screw up its operations. Even with many leading personnel still at large, without even a vague address to report to, would-be jihadis couldn't really sign up. Thus, despite rising anti-Americanism and the continuing appeal of the Salafi jihad in principle, it was hard for the network to gain new nodes and grow new cells.
But now we need to add the growth of the Iraqi insurgency into the equation. Once again, as during al-Qaeda's Afghan period, a would-be jihadi knows where he needs to go. He knows -- as I know and as you, the gentle reader knows -- that you can fight Americans in Iraq. He knows that the jihad takes place primarily in the "Sunni triangle" and the "triangle of death" both in the vicinity of Baghdad. He knows that the Syrian border is said to be the source of most of the insurgency's external inputs of manpower, money, and materiel. In other words, once again if you want to join the jihad, you know what to do. But of course once you get to Iraq, if you do make contact with someone, he'll want you to fight in Iraq not in the USA. Thus, having created a new global locus for the jihad as part of the strategic error that was the Iraq War, we also get the side benefit of "flypaper." Basically, US civilian casualties are displaced onto US military personnel and Iraqis of various stripes.
So far, so good (or so bad). The real question, however, is what happens if the jihad in Iraq ends? It would be remarkably odd if we wind up killing every single jihadi before going home. Either we'll need to start pulling troops out with many jihadis still in the field, or else we'll start gaining the upper hand and many jihadis will make themselves scarce. Either way, a new generation of recruits will have signed up, new networks will have been formed, and when people depart Iraq (either because we've won, or else because we've lost) they'll go somewhere else and start waging jihad there. Most of the native-born Iraqis who've joined up for the fight against America will probably stay put in Iraq, but not all of them will. You still won't be talking about a huge number of people, but the flipside of the insight that al-Qaeda was never a particularly large organization is that al-Qaeda never needed to be a particularly large institution to mount attacks on the scale of WTC, Bali, Madrid, etc.
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Good points here. The flypaper theory works insomuch that it allows the elimination of numerous jihadists, but it doesn't take into account the two or three new radicals that are created from every jihadist death. If the US' use of bases in Saudi Arabia helped spur Al Qaeda recruitment in the lead up to 9/11, there's little doubt Iraq will do so long after this occupation is over. As bin Laden has proven, jihadists have long memories, and they won't be forgetting the US Iraqi incursion any decade soon.
Posted by: Justin | Jan 4, 2005 11:52:01 PM
Of course, the Iraqi insurgency could decide on its own that perhaps attacking Americans inside Iraq isn't enough to end the occupation, and decide to start attacking Americans inside *America*:
http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=fa274c03-726b-413e-a3b1-1dca5e5c821a
Posted by: Snarkasaurus Rex | Jan 4, 2005 11:59:31 PM
With all due respect, Saudi Arabia and Iraq are completely different. American troops in Saudi were not occupation forces, they were there at the request of the Kingdom for its defense. The reason they offended the militants was mostly religious. Saudi Arabia contains 2 of the three holiest sites in all Islam and many Muslims consider the entire Kingdom sacred because of this. In comparison, Iraq is occupied by force and has nowhere near the religious importance especially to the Sunni Islamic majority.
Posted by: Jeff the Baptist | Jan 5, 2005 12:08:32 AM
Recruitment and training now is performed with The Sims: Al Qaeda Training.
Posted by: jerry | Jan 5, 2005 12:12:34 AM
I think Sageman has a foolish, overly optimistic and totally incorrect assessment of the situation.
There is ample evidence that most of those trained in Afghani al qaeda camps were not terrorists per se. Rather, they were regular foot soldiers. Think of them as the minute men of the Islamic world, ready to carry their arms and training to the fight wherever they perceived Islam to be under attack - to wage defensive jihad in chechnya, Iraq, wherever. There are estimated, by many quality sources, to have been thousands trained at this level.
Arguably training and recruiting has not been impeded for this group. Training has merely altered its form. It is now hands on training in Iraq. Those that survive to learn all the lessons of combat will be better fighters than those from the afghani camps and they will, in turn, train the next cadre of recruits.
A minority of those trained at the afghani camps - as well as camps in the Suddan, Bekkaa Valley, and even Pakistan - volunteered for - and then were selected out from the group of volunteers - for more classic terrorist attacks, especially martyrdom missions.
I don't know were Sageman gets his statistics, but I have read reports that put the number of these special forces in the several hundreds. And that number doesn't seem too high when we consider the rate at which Hizbollah and Hamas seem to recruit and expend suicide bombers. There have been more than 19 suicide bombers in Iraq to date.
Finally, Bin Laden has made it clear that there will be more devestating attacks against the US and in the US. If Bin Laden is anything, he's true to his word. There is a high correlation between what he says and what he does. More the 90% of the time Bin Laden has threatened an attack there has been an attack against the threatened entity.
The failure to achieve 100% correlation may be due to thwarted attacks and due to attacks that have not yet occurred, but will.
Bin Laden will not permit the action in Iraq to compromise his integrity; nor does he have to.
Posted by: avedis | Jan 5, 2005 12:18:13 AM
Jeff,
I'm well aware of the reasons behind the US's presense in Saudi Arabia. My point was that if the US's presense there, which was indeed requested, was enough to offend militants, then our occupation of Iraq should be just as offensive to groups such as Al Qaeda.
While Iraq is not considered as holy a place as Saudi Arabia, it is still considered to be holy. Baghdad itself served as the capital of the Islamic Empire when the Abbasids took over in the 8th century. Certainly holy sites such as Najaf, where the iman Ali was assasinated, hold more significance to the Shi'a than the Sunni, but it doesn't change the fact that the Sunni were deposed by the US occupation. That fact alone will be enough to spur continued Al Qaeda recruitment.
Posted by: Justin | Jan 5, 2005 12:46:43 AM
Yes, it's similar, although not identical, to the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan and the resulting influx of jihadis there. The fly-paper theory in this case holds, but once the Soviets left, and left all the 'flies', they went back home and stayed in touch. It's a shame we're creating this generational situation again.
Posted by: Ted | Jan 5, 2005 1:10:37 AM
But now we need to add the growth of the Iraqi insurgency into the equation. Once again, as during al-Qaeda's Afghan period, a would-be jihadi knows where he needs to go. He knows -- as I know and as you, the gentle reader knows -- that you can fight Americans in Iraq. He knows that the jihad takes place primarily in the "Sunni triangle" and the "triangle of death" both in the vicinity of Baghdad. He knows that the Syrian border is said to be the source of most of the insurgency's external inputs of manpower, money, and materiel. In other words, once again if you want to join the jihad, you know what to do. But of course once you get to Iraq, if you do make contact with someone, he'll want you to fight in Iraq not in the USA. Thus, having created a new global locus for the jihad as part of the strategic error that was the Iraq War, we also get the side benefit of "flypaper." Basically, US civilian casualties are displaced onto US military personnel and Iraqis of various stripes.
Matt, you give the flypaper theory too much credit here. The conclusion that "US civilian casualties are displaced onto US military personnel and Iraqis of various stripes" is not warranted by the evidence.
The attraction of jihadis, from both inside and outside of Iraq, to the Iraqi resistance is only a "side benefit" of the war if one assumes that these new active jihadis in Iraq consist in significant measure of individuals who would have posed some sort of violent threat to American interests elsewhere, were they not in Iraq. It is not at all clear to me that this is the case.
Rather than the flypaper metaphor, perhaps a more apt entymolgical image of what is happening in Iraq is the growth of flies on rotting meat - which to earlier generations looked like spontaneous generation. Or better yet, the generation of mosquitos in stagnant, warm water. The war in Iraq has provided the medium for turning disaffected, yet relatively ineffectual resentment into active militancy. Without the watr, there would have been far fewer flies to attract.
Rather than "draining the swamps" the Bush administration has flooded the previously dry Iraqi swamp beds with stagnant pools of American soldiers, providing the means for the rapid growth of swarms of jihadis who didn't exist previously. Flypaper indeed!
And as you note, as happened following the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, once these new generations of jihadis are done feeding in Iraq, they are likely to strike us elsewhere. They may already be planning to do so, since emerging terrorist groups have a tendency to compete for public attention, recruits and leadership of the global jihad by staging more spectacular and injurious attacks than their comrades in rival groups.
Posted by: Dan Kervick | Jan 5, 2005 1:53:54 AM
Hello,
That's strange effectively but lots of people in US wants people to have fear to not thinking about social issues...
Posted by: socdem | Jan 5, 2005 3:50:14 AM
So then, are we winning, Matt?
Posted by: beer_me | Jan 5, 2005 4:19:39 AM
"Matt, you give the flypaper theory too much credit here. The conclusion that "US civilian casualties are displaced onto US military personnel and Iraqis of various stripes" is not warranted by the evidence."
Of course it is in the short-term.
While I share your view on the probable long-term effects, you diminish your case by playing fast and loose with reality.
Posted by: Petey | Jan 5, 2005 4:35:38 AM
"Matt, you give the flypaper theory too much credit here. The conclusion that "US civilian casualties are displaced onto US military personnel and Iraqis of various stripes" is not warranted by the evidence."
Of course it is in the short-term.
That's not obvious to me. It's only the case if you believe there were likely to be a significant number of US civilian casualties as a result of Al Qaeda activities in the short term. The Madrid bombings show that Al Qaeda is not prevented from mounting spectacular attacks by the war in Iraq; to the extent that there haven't been US domestic casualties, it seems likely that it's due to heightened domestic vigilance, not due to any flypaper effects.
Posted by: william | Jan 5, 2005 5:46:26 AM
If I were planning a large scale attack on a position why would I want to first implement small, or medium, size attacks on said position? Doing so will only result in a signficant increase in security (at least in theory anyway) by the party attacked, and as a result make the large scale attack less likely to be viable.
Posted by: jon stanley | Jan 5, 2005 5:58:59 AM
Thus, having created a new global locus for the jihad as part of the strategic error that was the Iraq War, we also get the side benefit of "flypaper." Basically, US civilian casualties are displaced onto US military personnel and Iraqis of various stripes.
This contradicts the earlier part of the passage so thoroughly its hard to believe it was written by the same person.
After Afghanistan, there was no place for a prospective AQ member to go get trained.
That means there was no place for a prospective AQ member to learn to cause US civilian casualties.
Getting untrained recruits to go to Iraq does not displace US civilian casualties - if the recruits hadn't gone to Iraq, they could never have found and joined the network.
Anyone who has the ability, resources and connections already to strike at the far enemy has no reason to go to Iraq.
The flypaper analogy is false for the exact reasons pointed out in the beginning half of this blog post. The rotting meat, or tepid water analogy is better.
In the short-term, meaning up to the length of time it takes for recruits to get connected and get out, Iraq has no impact on US civilian casualties because its not attracting the people who could cause those casualties.
In the long-term, meaning after the now trained recruits start leaving and figuring out ways to get to the targets they really want to hit, Iraq is increasing the number of US civilian casualties.
This is just based on MY's report of Clarke's report.
Posted by: Ben Collins | Jan 5, 2005 6:42:28 AM
could someone provide a citation or summary of key points from Clarke's article for those of us who do not subscribe to the Atlantic?
Posted by: markus | Jan 5, 2005 7:00:39 AM
I don't find this convincing at all. There are jihaists and jihadists. The folks who blow up cars in Baghdad and people like Mohammed Atta are not nearly in the same league.
The next Mohammed Atta is not going to go to Iraq to kill a bunch of Iraqi national guards; rather he is in the US opening a mining company or applying for an air-traffic controller job or something.
Flypaper my ass.
Posted by: abb1 | Jan 5, 2005 7:14:14 AM
Petey,
What evidence do you have that any of the foreign or domestic insurgents in Iraq are people who, prior to Iraq, were planning terrorist strikes against US civilians.
Posted by: Dan Kervick | Jan 5, 2005 7:45:39 AM
The problem with thinking about terrorists, especially ones that are both transnational and part of broader social movements, is that so much of this is speculation. I am inclined to agree both that there is an element of fly-paper in Iraq and that Iraq is creating more flies which may come and get us later. But Palestine has produced lots of flies and, though the I-P situation has contributed to radicalising the Muslim world, Palestinian terrorist groups do not launch attacks in the US, so there's no necessary connection. Or can Israel be seen in part as a (so far effective) fly-paper diverting opposition to US interests?
Posted by: Otto | Jan 5, 2005 7:46:11 AM
OK, so under this theory we shut down the recruiting filter in Afghanistan. I question that, but let's assume it for the moment.
If we had not then gone ahead and created a new recruiting filter in Iraq, where would the new terrorists have gone to be filtered and trained? With 90% of the world still on the side of the US post-9/11, and no quagmire in Iraq, where would the would-be terrorists have gone?
Hmmm. Flypaper? Or sausage factory?
Cranky
Posted by: Cranky Observer | Jan 5, 2005 8:17:26 AM
The flypaper theory is subject to a simple empirical test. What is the proportion of captured "insurgents" who are non-native iraqis? The U.S. Army's own estimate (carried in lots of news stories, try Google) is no more than 5-10%. Even if you endow these people with super-fighting abilities, that's pretty slippery flypaper. This whole theory smacks of "too clever by half."
Posted by: Harvey | Jan 5, 2005 9:06:22 AM
If I understand the hypothesis correctly... wouldn't the *real* threat be a few years down the line? .... after we have pulled out?
The fact that it only takes one or two people to explode a dirty bomb, sink a ferry, ram a propane tanker into a building, etc... does not give me any confidence that flypaper works.
Catch/kill 1000 terrorists, but let the wrong 1 slip through and you've got serious problem.
Posted by: def | Jan 5, 2005 9:21:41 AM
The flypaper theory is subject to a simple empirical test. What is the proportion of captured "insurgents" who are non-native iraqis? The U.S. Army's own estimate (carried in lots of news stories, try Google) is no more than 5-10%. Even if you endow these people with super-fighting abilities, that's pretty slippery flypaper. This whole theory smacks of "too clever by half."
Harvey, it is good to point those numbers out. But I suspect even that 5-10% number grossly overestimates the "flypaper" benefits.
For a young Middle East Muslim to heed the call to leave one's home and family, and go to fight among brothers - who will feed, house and support you - against a sudden target of opportunity in nearby Iraq, in order to help repel what one regards as an outrageous infidel invasion of Islamic lands and attack on Muslim peoples, is a far cry from making a difficult and clandestine trip to the United States, motivated only by remote and speculative strategic aims, and spending years there in exile among the infidels as one plots and then carries out a complex terrorist scheme.
How many Union soldiers who enlisted following the attack on Fort Sumpter were already planning John Brown-style terrorism in the south before the war started? Precious few.
Posted by: Dan Kervick | Jan 5, 2005 9:30:35 AM
The entire "flypaper" baloney was made up from thin air (or should I say thin bullshit) by the Bush Apologists after the fact to justify the unjustifiable: the unprovoked invasion and destruction of a soverign nation that the Presidental Administration did not like.
George W. Bush, the members of his Administration, and the Radical Right are 100%, totally, and without question responsible for the invasion of Iraq and its consequences. Not Bill Clinton, not a backstabbing liberal conspiracy, but George W. Bush is responsible for the physical, political, and moral consequences of what happens as a result.
Let's stop providing cover for the Bush Apologists and the Radical Right and hold their feet to the fire they have set.
Cranky
Posted by: Cranky Observer | Jan 5, 2005 9:47:25 AM
See, the Lieberman wing and the "liberal hawks" in general need to have cover for their past support for the invasion (and their soto voce support for the occupation). WMDs, terror links, Baathist torture, and now democracy have all been shown to be mirages. What to do?
Well, flypaper provides a very convenient rationale. Unlike the woolly-headed paens to democracy that the Bush administration keeps reciting, flypaper is a hard-headed, realpolitik strategy that sounds great in 5.5 second sound bits on Fox News. "I support the continued presence of American troops in Iraq because I want to fight the terrorists over there instead of over here."
In fact, embracing flypaper now is a great pundit strategy, because it anticipates and puts a rosy spin on the fiasco that is the upcoming Iraqi elections. As Matt points out, flypaper only works as long as we have troops occupying Iraq; as soon as they leave, the "glue" of the paper loses its adhesiveness and the flies--who through natural selection are now "super flies"--can swarm to the U.S. to create havoc. In order to ensure that the troops stay in place, we need to have a weak, illegitimate regime in place.
See? If Iraq is really a fly trap, then our security depends on the failure of the Iraqi elections, which if successful would produce a government that would ask us to leave. Thus, all the seemingly bad news from Iraq is really good news, and the good news is bad news.
With a pundit strategy like that, Matt will be in Cokie's chair in no time.
Posted by: jlw | Jan 5, 2005 10:31:41 AM
I think there haven't been any attacks because they don't want to go until they can top the WTC/Pentagon strike.
If they can't top it it's going to look like they are losing. If you go from something that catastrophic and symbol laden to blowing up the dairy queen or whatever (things I'm sure someone could find a recruit for) you look like you are on your way out.
Posted by: absynthe | Jan 5, 2005 10:36:09 AM
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