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Trade Time

I take it that Isaiah Thomas is operating under the principle that he needs to destroy the team in order to save it through future draft picks. But who's supposed to play center now? I suppose it hardly matters at this point. Good luck drafting. An awful lot of these pre-deadline deals don't make much sense to me. What do the Hawks want with Gary Payton? One could go on. But perhaps commenters can provide some insight.

February 24, 2005 | Permalink

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"But who's supposed to play center now?"

Well, you still have the self-proclaimed best pointguard in the NBA.

Posted by: SoCalJustice | Feb 24, 2005 7:24:27 PM

This is what you get for rooting for Washington.

Posted by: bobo brooks | Feb 24, 2005 7:25:03 PM

But forget the Knicks. The Knicks are trivial. What's Sacramento on about?

Posted by: Matthew Yglesias | Feb 24, 2005 7:37:56 PM

On one view, Sacramento, like Toronto, is simply insane. They took the lowest value deal that can be imagined. On another, they were in Toronto's position (they just wanted to get rid of the guy), and they got some servicable and tradable (b/c of contract size) pieces for him. Here, longer term contracts don't matter, b/c the guys are being paid essentially appropriately and can be dealt at will later.

Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Feb 24, 2005 7:44:27 PM

Both this season and last sacramento has played better without Webber. This season sacramento was just as good on offense without webber and 5.3 points better on defense.

Addition by subtraction rarely works, but in this case I think it does make them a better team.

http://82games.com/04SAC13D.HTM

Posted by: NickS | Feb 24, 2005 7:45:56 PM

The best way to select players is an open market. Drop the cartel/union racketeering scheme that current North American sport leagues are. Then get the best players you can afford.

Posted by: Reality based community | Feb 24, 2005 7:49:14 PM

What's Sacramento on about?

Maybe George Maloof took some last minute trade advice from some random joe who got his cell number off the internet after Paris Hilton's blackberry was hacked.

Posted by: SoCalJustice | Feb 24, 2005 7:52:36 PM

"What do the Hawks want with Gary Payton?"

Payton will likely be waived by Atlanta without ever playing a game for them, and will probably get his dream of signing with a West Coast contender.

But I'm beginning to wonder about Danny Ainge's sanity. A first rounder in exchange for 2 months of Antoine Walker?!?

"What's Sacramento on about?"

It's not an awful deal for Sacramento. By getting rid of his contract, they get room to build around the younger core of Bibby, Miller, and Mobley - who are a trio who can make noise for the next 5 years.

And while Kenny Thomas's contract is lousy, it's at least not lousy at such a high dollar level as Webber's.

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But more importantly, how 'bout them Sixers!

Not only do they get Webber. Not only do they get rid of Skinner's and Thomas's awful contracts. But they also pick up the intriguing Matt Barnes.

I'm a big Webber fan. He's playing brilliantly on one leg right now. And if his knee continues to improve from last year's surgery, any athleticism will be pure gravy. If not, he's still the kind of player who can make the rest of the Sixers better by making the offense flow.

Iverson's only got 2 or 3 top notch years left, so getting a 32 year old Webber makes perfect sense for them. Put those two on the court with 3 athletic youngsters like Iguodala and Dalembert, and this team could do some damage.

Winning the East this year still seems like a long shot unless Shaquille blows out his knee. But I'll happily take my chances on AI getting hot in a playoff series or two.

Posted by: Petey | Feb 24, 2005 8:15:27 PM

Whine on Matthew, Sixers got Webber. We're contenders again. Nothing like having Comcast money.

Posted by: epistemology | Feb 24, 2005 8:19:10 PM

SoCalJustice:

That wasn't a Blackberry, it was a Sidekick.

Scroll down:

photos

phonenumbers

Posted by: epistemology | Feb 24, 2005 8:25:38 PM

Hope I'm not getting Matthew in trouble with those links.

Ah, screw him. He's a Wizards fan.

Posted by: epistemology | Feb 24, 2005 8:26:55 PM

I mean, once you put a franchise in the hands of someone who actually caused the bankruptcy of an entire LEAGUE (the CBA), can anyone be shocked that the team is so rudderless?

PS: Didn't they acquire the Spurs draft picks? So, that's the 26th-30th pick, right?


Posted by: Chris R | Feb 24, 2005 8:27:57 PM

More librul hatin. Why can't we report the good things going on with the Knicks?

Posted by: epistemology | Feb 24, 2005 8:32:12 PM

"I mean, once you put a franchise in the hands of someone who actually caused the bankruptcy of an entire LEAGUE"

Oh, fuck off. Zeke is good people.

Most of the Knicks problems come from a series of incredibly asinine decisions make by Scott Layden. Zeke is trying to unwind those decisions, and despite the big Dolan dollars, it's going to be a slow process.

And if they're going to be a losing team, at least Marbury is fun to watch.

Posted by: Petey | Feb 24, 2005 8:36:56 PM

what would those good things be? that the years until they have cap space is even farther down the road?

it looks like more mis-matched pieces right now

Posted by: Dan | Feb 24, 2005 8:37:55 PM

"Whine on Matthew, Sixers got Webber. We're contenders again. Nothing like having Comcast money."

Dolan dollars and Cuban cash are both richer piggy banks than the Comcast money. But it is nice to see Comcast willing to spend for a winner - which they notably were reluctant to do the past couple of years.

Posted by: Petey | Feb 24, 2005 8:42:04 PM

"what would those good things be? that the years until they have cap space is even farther down the road?"

Some of the awful contracts come off the books after next year, and Houston's mega-awful contract comes off the year after that.

And by then, perhaps Crawford will have figured out how to play in the association. Then you'll have a halfway decent Marbury/Crawford/Ariza core to build around with the draft picks and the big Dolan dollars.

Posted by: Petey | Feb 24, 2005 8:50:19 PM

The combination of a salary cap and guaranteed contracts really locks NBA teams into mediocrity for a long time if a couple of mistakes are made (unless a team gets lucky with the ping pong balls, and picks up a Hall of Famer) which is pretty unfortunate for fans of such a team. I also think talent evaluation errors in baseball and football are easier to cover up because there are so many more players. The converse is true as well; one good pick and a team can cover for many years of mistakes, like the Timberwolves.

Marbury may be entertaining, but it is interesting how almost every team he leaves ends up winning a lot more games the next year. He might be the most consistently overrated traded-for talent, by general managers, in the history of the NBA.

Posted by: Will Allen | Feb 24, 2005 8:51:45 PM

"Zeke" might be "good people", but what would lead you to believe that he is a good GM? What's he done right and what has he done to get out of Layden's poor decisions?

Agree with you about the Sixers, btw. Wow.

Posted by: Chris Rasmussen | Feb 24, 2005 8:52:05 PM

""Zeke" might be "good people", but what would lead you to believe that he is a good GM?"

I liked picking up Marbury for basically nothing. I liked picking up Crawford.

I like the way he traded several Layden mistakes in exchange for stacking up a bunch of big contracts to all expire simultaneously after next year.

It's important not to forget just how bleak things looked when he took over. And it's important to remember that his mandate is to rebuild without completely sucking - which is difficult.

Posted by: Petey | Feb 24, 2005 9:04:42 PM

If the Hawks manage to keep Gary Payton, won't they have reached their quota for Incredibly Past Their Prime, One-Time Talented point guards?

Kenny Anderson? Gary Payton?

If they can manage to get Mark Price to come out retirement, they're all set.

Posted by: Jmac | Feb 24, 2005 9:07:51 PM

He didn't pick up Marbury for nothing, did he? You follow the Knicks closer than I do (I can only follow the NBA on my Sirius as I live in a non-NBA team) and certainly better understand the cap implications, but isn't picking up Marbury's salary itself damaging?

Not a fan of Crawford -- fact is, the Bulls knew they had something better in Heinrich, which made Crawford incredibly dispensable.

And here's the thing we agree on: I'm not sure you can rebuild in the NBA without completely sucking at some point. It is much harder and the pressure to not completely suck in NY makes you semi-rebuild and acquire flashy names, which leads me to believe that you get a bunch of 30-40 win seasons.

Posted by: Chris Rasmussen | Feb 24, 2005 9:09:00 PM

"And here's the thing we agree on: I'm not sure you can rebuild in the NBA without completely sucking at some point."

Well, look at what Sacramento is doing... Look at what Indiana has done...

Posted by: Petey | Feb 24, 2005 9:14:03 PM

The Knicks are beating the Sixers 102-91 (on TNT) with about 4 minutes left in the 4th.

epistemology,

thanks for the correction and the info...


Posted by: SoCalJustice | Feb 24, 2005 9:30:05 PM

The best way to select players is an open market. Drop the cartel/union racketeering scheme that current North American sport leagues are. Then get the best players you can afford.

Spoken like a true Yankees fan.

Posted by: tom | Feb 24, 2005 10:28:03 PM

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