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On The Women's Issues
Via Bitch, Phd., the Big Brass Blog writes about women's issues:
Similarly, there are "issues"—Social Security, Bankruptcy Bill, etc.—and then there are "women's issues"—fair pay, abortion rights, etc. (and then there are other secondary issues, like gay rights, civil rights issues, etc.). Ignoring the oft-asserted claim that women don’t blog about issues such as Social Security, which I hope by this point can also be put to bed after women across the blogosphere provided links to their plethora of posts on the subject, I’ve seen the argument made by male bloggers that an issue like Social Security is of concern to everyone because it affects everyone’s bottom line, but that “women’s issues” are somehow distinct to women. I would argue that women still making $.80 on the $1 affects the bottom line of every household that’s got a working woman in it, which as we know includes some of the big dog bloggers, yet it is relegated to the realm of “women’s issues,” and is not addressed with the regular frequency that Social Security is. Likewise, most of those things designated as “women’s issues” can clearly be seen as practically significant to both sexes; men are simply choosing to designate any issue that primarily effects women as a secondary issue.I think that's worth responding to, because there's a lot going on in that passage and it contains a lot of truth, but also I think some falsehood.
First off, a couple of asides. For one thing, I think there's a bit more of a two-way street than's being acknowledged. Social Security is an issue that primarily effects women. Women (on average) live longer than men and (on average) earn less and (on average) experience much more income instability over the course of their lives. Privatization would produce winners and losers, and women would be very disproportionately included among the losers. Medicaid cuts, on the table last week in congress and perhaps to return to the table again, likewise primarily effect women, though for different reasons. I also think that the bankruptcy bill's negative impact would be primarily felt by women, though I'm not sure about that. So I don't think it's the case that issues primarily effecting women are designate as secondary issues. In fact, the overwhelming majority of public policy debates disproportionately impact women. Debates about children (health care, education, etc.) primarily effect women because women are assigned primary responsibility for child care. Debates about protecting people from economic risks primarily effect women because women are significantly more economically vulnerable than men. Debates about poverty primarily effect women, because in this country poverty (and especially adult poverty) is overwhelmingly female. And debates about the regulation of sex primarily effect women, because, basically, conservatives are bastards and choose to always use the regulation of female sexuality as the main policy lever.
So I don't think it's the case that issues that primarily impact women are relegated to second-tier status. Rather, what happens is that the highly-gendered nature of these policy debates is regulated to second-tier status. Or, better, the highly-gendered nature of these debates is almost entirely obscured in high-profile discussion of them. The fact that Social Security privatization would, among other things, constitute a massive wealth transfer away from women and toward men is neglected. In addition, while one hears a lot about the purported fact that privatization would be good for African-American men, one almost never hears aboout the absolute catastrophe privatization would be for African-American women or the even bigger catastrophe it would be for Latina women.
This situation is in part caused, in part re-enforced, and in part exacerbated by the fact that the people discussing these issues are primarily men. It's highly doubtful to me that a commentariat that was 80 percent female would wind up talking about Social Security in the way that the male-dominated commentariat does. Even the inclusion of some high-profile woman commentators does little to mitigate the situation, because to continue to be a high-profile commentator you need to be participating in the discussion that's already taking place and that discussion is heavily shaped by the overwhelming male-ness of both political journalism and the most relevant sub-fields in economics.
Which brings us to equal pay for equal work. Social Security is a topic I've addressed a lot in my writing. The difference in men's and women's earnings is a topic I've implicitly addressed on occassion (it impacts, as I've been saying, the Social Security debate, the bankruptcy debate, and other things) but only directly addressed on a handful of occassions. Is this because it's less important an issue than Social Security? No. It's a vitally important issue. Indeed, it's impossible to properly understand most of the policy debates I do write about without understanding the earnings gap. Rather, the reason Social Security and the bankruptcy bill get more attention from this blogger is that there are powerful political forces pushing privatization (and bankruptcy "reform," and tort "reform," etc.) onto the top of the political agenda. As a pundit, I'm to a large extent a victim of circumstances. I write about what's getting talked about in congress and in the White House. If the time came when there was a high-profile, credible legislative effort underway to address the pay gap, I would write about it. Such a debate would provoke tons of think tank reports I would read, policy briefings I would attend, op-eds I would critique, tactical arguments I would participate in, etc., etc., etc.
But there is no such effort, so that stuff doesn't happen, and I don't wind up writing about it. This, at the end of the day, is why the underrepresentation of women throughout the political system -- not just on the op-ed pages, but in the Senate, in the House, in the think tanks, in the broader power structure, etc. -- matters. A world where women had a preponderance of the political power would be a world in which these issues were placed at the center of the public debate, and, therefore, a world in which those of us whose interests are basically parasitic on those of the broader political class would be addressing the topic constantly. And it would be, frankly, a much better world.
What it isn't is the world we live in. Instead, we live in a world where someone -- man or woman -- who spent less time on Social Security and more on the pay gap would simply be marginalizing herself in the public debate. Missing opportunities to weigh-in on, and to a small degree influence, the course of ongoing disputations, and gaining only the opportunity to write things that will basically get ignored. This, at the end of the day, is what makes the impact of entrenched gender-privilege so insidious. It's impact is so all-encompassing, and so structures everything we do, that individuals have very little ability to do anything about it. Indeed, it's extremely hard for a lot of people (most men, but including women, too) to even see that anything's going on. It just looks "natural."
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Well said.
Just for form's sake, my own Social Security commentary-
http://gotv.blogspot.com/2005/03/wetas-failure-to-tell-truth-about.html
Posted by: Alice Marshall | Mar 20, 2005 12:45:16 PM
Mike Kinsley's piece on this today is worth reading.
Posted by: Petey | Mar 20, 2005 12:49:55 PM
After 30 years of carefully using them correctly, I have lately had great difficulty with 'affect' and 'effect'. But I have never used them incorrectly 15 times in an internationally-distributed blog post!
Cranky
Posted by: Cranky Observer | Mar 20, 2005 1:07:11 PM
"This situation is in part caused, in part re-enforced, and in part exacerbated by the fact that the people discussing these issues are primarily men." Gah! No, no no! You're still not getting it! It's not that the people discussing the issues are primarily men; it's that the people BEING ATTENTION TO in discussing the issues are primarily men!
Posted by: Elayne Riggs | Mar 20, 2005 1:44:43 PM
The $.8 on $1. is b-s, and it's been shown over and over again to be so.
Posted by: Rachel | Mar 20, 2005 2:11:29 PM
Rachel is right. The 80 cents on the dollar thing isn't ignored because it's a women's issue; it's ignored because it's a bullshit issue. To the extent that women earn less, it's because they take off time from work to raise children. The difference disappears if you look only at people without children.
Posted by: Xavier | Mar 20, 2005 2:25:23 PM
Thanks Rachel and Xavier. Has Yglesias completely forgotten the evidence? The truth is, this issue is one that hasn't got on the agenda because it isn't an issue. The pay gap is disappearing at a reasonably rapid rate, and if it persists, invidious discrimination is way down the list of explanations. In a world where women are graduating from college a good deal more often than men, what's to worry about here? Rejoice and get onto real injustices.
Posted by: Notdistracted | Mar 20, 2005 3:02:06 PM
Technically, abortion is only a "woman's issue" roughly half of the time.
Posted by: Brett Bellmore | Mar 20, 2005 4:32:48 PM
Thanks for saying it, Notdistracted and Xavier. I've read for years that women in similar jobs with similar tenure make exactly what men do. The wage disparity comes from the latent lack of enough women moving into the higher-paying jobs, and time is taking care of this.
Alan
Posted by: Alan | Mar 20, 2005 4:38:21 PM
First of all, the important thing: it's "affect," not "effect." A is the verb, E is the noun.
Basically, I agreee with what you're saying and I think it's very smart. A couple of things:
1. I don't think it's the case that issues primarily effecting women are designate as secondary issues. In fact, the overwhelming majority of public policy debates disproportionately impact women.
This is factually true, but BBB's point, as I read it, is that as soon as you acknowledge that, the issue immediately becomes secondary by virtue of being associated with women. Hence, the rest of what you're saying, which is that the way political issues affect women gets overlooked b/c it's mostly men doing the talking, is partly true; but it is also true that it gets overlooked 'accidentally on purpose', because gender is de facto unimportant (as opposed to merely invisible). This has to do, of course, with the fact that it isn't only conservatives, but the entire culture, that sort of tends to see women as unimportant purely by virtue of their being women.
The other thing is this: But there is no such effort, so that stuff doesn't happen, and I don't wind up writing about it. This, at the end of the day, is why the underrepresentation of women throughout the political system -- not just on the op-ed pages, but in the Senate, in the House, in the think tanks, in the broader power structure, etc. -- matters. This is true, and practically speaking, of course it's what happens. But. The feminist point here is that not having the girls around to keep you honest doesn't let you off the hook. That's an abdication of responsibility, and it's one of the most frustrating things about the perpetual "where are the women?" debates--the passivity with which (some) men expect women to make it easy for them, and let them off the hook. One of the privileges of being, well, privileged, is intellectual laziness: it's easy not to think about gender, or race, or class, if you're in the "unmarked" category. That's an explanation, but it's not an excuse.
Posted by: bitchphd | Mar 20, 2005 4:41:44 PM
"In a world where women are graduating from college a good deal more often than men, what's to worry about here?"
It says worlds about the subtle biases of this country, that you'd never have thought to say that were the genders swapped. Here we have the majority of K-12 teachers being women, boys graduating disproportionately ill equipped for college, and why is the usual "disparate impact is proof of discrimation" meme not kicking in?
Is it just barely possible that we've actually over-compensated, and it's the males being discriminated against in some important parts of life today?
Posted by: Brett Bellmore | Mar 20, 2005 4:42:38 PM
Shoot, should've corrected that first "effect." I was cutting and pasting. ;)
Brett, when is abortion not a women's issue? Are men having abortions? Pets? Inanimate objects? Last I checked, it was only women having 'em--that makes it 100% our issue. Y'all can have opinions about it, but we own it.
Posted by: bitchphd | Mar 20, 2005 4:44:22 PM
I've always rejected the "disparate impact is proof of discrimination" garbage. It's the same old statistical error: correlation does not equal causality (did I spell any of that right?).
Anyway, I agree with your point - if women graduating from college at a lower rate than men is a bad thing, then why isn't the opposite?
Frankly, I think there are simply a lot of other factors at play. I'm a CPA and I see a lot of self-employed men without college degrees starting landscaping, electrician, plumbing, construction, and other such businesses, but not women (I see alot of women starting businesses too but typically in "college educated" professions). Maybe there are social stereotypes that men can do well without college degrees in many jobs, but women don't think they will do well in these careers so they choose college more often.
Just a theory.....
Alan
Posted by: Alan | Mar 20, 2005 4:54:22 PM
If women "own" the abortion issue because only women can bear children, then as long as only men are expected to enter combat (even if women are sometimes caught in the firing line), then only men can comment on decisions to go to war.
Of course, I believe neither.
Alan
Posted by: Alan | Mar 20, 2005 5:00:13 PM
Well, I would have responded, being the author of the excerpted post, but Bitch PhD, my newest bestest girlfriend, already did a damn fine job of interpreting me for me.
Also, the main point of the post, for those who haven't read it, was:
The truth is, the whole “what are women’s issues and who should be talking about them” debate is specious, and is in fact little more than a red herring designed to deflect attention from the real issue—that sexism is still alive and well, even among some men who fancy themselves feminists. The contention that we must first define “women’s issues” belittles this entire quandary to a semantic argument. The truth is, women’s voices are still not heard in the upper echelons on most issues; suggesting they must be incorporated simply so that “women’s issues” are effectively addressed conveniently ignores that fact.
Posted by: Shakespeare's Sister | Mar 20, 2005 5:03:25 PM
Alan, I didn't say men couldn't have opinions. I said the opposite.
Posted by: bitchphd | Mar 20, 2005 5:13:14 PM
"Brett, when is abortion not a women's issue?"
Well, duh! Half the time, the abortee is male.
Posted by: Brett Bellmore | Mar 20, 2005 5:14:38 PM
bitchphd (that's a great moniker!),
Explain the difference to me between "having an opinion" and "owning" an issue.
Alan
Posted by: Alan | Mar 20, 2005 5:19:35 PM
I read "those of us whose interests are basically parasitic on those of the broader political class" and assumed you meant men, since you were talking about pretty much all political decisions affecting women disproportionately. I like this picture, male politicians and pundits being parasites of the working women of the world. I think it's correct, too.
This post is accurate, but it doesn't get you off the hook. Don't you think an op-ed about how terrible Social Security privatization is for women might be publishable in the current climate? I do. You've realized women are invisible - maybe you should do something about it.
Posted by: Jade | Mar 20, 2005 5:34:26 PM
In response to:
"The truth is, women’s voices are still not heard in the upper echelons on most issues; suggesting they must be incorporated simply so that “women’s issues” are effectively addressed conveniently ignores that fact."
I would not assert that women's voices should be incorporated simply so that "women's issues" are effectively addressed, since from my previous posts I've tried to imply that I reject the very notion of "women's issues" in almost all cases - I can't think if anything that is considered a "women's issue" that is not really an issue for everyone, any more than I can think of anything that is strictly a "men's issue".
But to assert that "women’s voices are still not heard in the upper echelons on most issues": Hillary Clinton? Condi Rice? Madelyn Albrecht? Phillys Schafley? Elizabeth Dole? Mareen Dowd?
As for whether or not I "ask [myself] honestly if you regard women-authored blogs in the same way as those written by men": I don't particularly notice if the author of a blog is a man or a women.
Alan
Posted by: Alan | Mar 20, 2005 5:53:03 PM
The soldiering v. abortioner analogy is a very poor one. Foreign policy affects everyone, just ask the women and children incinerated in Hamburg, Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki, or look at your tax return this year, where about 1/3 the money you're paying is going to the DoD or to pay the interest on Raygun-era DoD overspending (we're no longer actually paying down the debt any more).
Shorter Brett: Woman? What woman? (bitch phd's inability to pick up on Brett's abortionee attack doesn't really impress me, alas, saw that one coming a mile away)
Posted by: Troy | Mar 20, 2005 7:42:47 PM
Hillary Clinton? Condi Rice? Madelyn Albrecht? Phillys Schafley? Elizabeth Dole? Mareen Dowd?
two of those are spouses, one is a token, Albrecht got more shit from misanthropes than anyone, and the other two are media gadflies.
Where is the female counterpart to Sununu Sr, Hatch, Santorum, etc.
Bush signing the partial-birth abortion ban:
http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2003/12/18/image589361x.jpg
is the signal picture on this whole mess I'm afraid.
Posted by: Troy | Mar 20, 2005 7:47:53 PM
Well, duh! Half the time, the abortee is male.
Ouch. point for brett.
Posted by: mk | Mar 20, 2005 7:58:19 PM
"Shorter Brett: Woman? What woman?"
Don't be silly; Until we develop artifical wombs, there will always be a woman involved in an abortion. But unless you're defining "womens' issues" as any issue that involves a woman, even if there are men equally involved, the presence of a male abortee pretty much does rule out abortion being a "womans' issue".
Posted by: Brett Bellmore | Mar 20, 2005 8:29:09 PM
Troy, sometimes one ignores things that are beneath notice.
Alan, here's my answer.
Posted by: bitchphd | Mar 20, 2005 8:47:39 PM
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