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Education: Equal, Fair, and National
I rise to the Mark Schmitt challenge:
If one party shoots over to an extreme, and the other opposes it, the opposition party has not automatically moved over to the other extreme. In fact, if the center is open, it is because Bush, Rove and DeLay ceded it. There is no reason for Democrats not to claim it. Democrats can become -- or, I should say, they are -- the party of responsible long-term federal budget choices, of sensible progress on health care, of political reform and ethical behavior, of leaving settled social issues as mostly private choices, and of reasonable Justices like Ginsburg and Breyer. Moving beyond Brownstein's list, add responsible stewardship of the environment, and more support but less federal intervention in education. Is there anything on that centrist list that the most committed MoveOn.org member would not be comfortable with?Well, I doubt I cound as the "most committed" MoveOn.org member. And, indeed, as Mark has observed in an important sense there are no MoveOn.org members. But I object! Why "less federal intervention in education?" Because the NEA doesn't like No Child Left Behind and in order to make common cause with conservative NCLB critics they've decreed that liberals should start pretending to believe in federalism? Not for me, sorry. Now maybe you like NCLB less than I do, but bracket that. Given some set of education standards you do approve of, you want to see them everywhere. Federalism isn't a liberal point of principle. When you hear Kansas is taking evolution out of the curriculum, you don't approve. You don't say, "well, we can teach evolution in Maryland and let them teach whatever they want in Kansas." Nor do you think it's okay if Georgia wants to teach "The War of Northern Aggression." Nor do you think the horrendous inequalities in school funding inside Connecticut is bad, but the inequalities in funding between New Jersey schools and New Mexico schools is a-okay. The federalism critique of the Bush education policy is, perhaps, good politics. If so, then fair enough. But it has no place in liberalism.
Let me also just note more broadly that the idea of moral federal spending but less federal "intervention" is a mirage. Where there's money, there will be strings, and rightly so. Insofar as spending decisions shift from the local level to the state level, the accountability drifts away from school boards and toward state capitals. As the money shifts toward Washington, the focus on accountability shifts there too. If a Senator votes for huge new spending on schools and the schools don't get better, we don't want to let him get away with saying, "well, we didn't tell them what to spend the money on. They just made bad choices." The only way to hold federal officials accountable for their education spending decisions is for them to exercise a reasonable degree of control over what the money is spent on.
Lastly, in a totally utopian vein, let me note that there's reason to think that poor kids, in particular, are disadvantaged by local control of the schools. These families tend to be more transient, moving town-to-town, school district to school district. Switching schools is hard on all kids. It's especially hard when the curricula are totally different in School A and School B. The French model where all the schools are the same everywhere would treat these kids much better. The military, which needs to focus very closely on the problem of transient students, uses a uniform curriculum in the schools it operates, and it's a very successful school system operating under what are obviously difficult circumstances.
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I think I agree with you Matt, but the critique applies to NCLB insofar as it is the states that determine the standards and then whether they are meeting them. Consequently, Texas has very lax standards compared to states like mine (Washington). The problem is, states that have tough standards get screwed, as they can't make sure the proper percentage of students meet the standards. As an example, the math requirements in WA are quite tough, as in, trig or calculus to graduate. I know that might seem like a good goal, but when a state is used to having second year algebra as its requirement, to impose the new standards means having ideals and paying a price when you don't meet the standards. (Also, I am aware that many kids will take as much math as possible...a good thing as well, but to set a very high bar for ALL students means that schools will "fail" according to NCLB. In short, NCLB encourages states to set the educational bar low so they can clear it and not be deemed "failing" according to the law.
So...NCLB is not federalism the way you envision it, that is, on the accountability side. States provide the standards, and many states (especially, sorry to say, southern ones) have lax standards...but meet their targets and thus have fewer "failing" schools but bad schools all the same.
Posted by: abjectfunk | Apr 25, 2005 9:01:59 PM
National, as opposed to state/local-based solutions, do have a certain appeal, and probably are items of liberal faith, but shouldn't be.
But do you want Sen. Brownback-type thinking controlling schools? Didn't think so.
I sure don't want creationism or intelligent design being mandated to all schools in the nation.
A principled liberal is pragmatic, fact-based, and supports that which works. If the only way to keep the national-level rightists from imposing batshit on us all, then I'll be a federalist until things return to some semblance of centrism. And I'll be a libertarian on matters sexual and cultural.
Posted by: JimPortlandOR | Apr 25, 2005 9:04:19 PM
To clarify...NCLB actually already embodies federalism insofar as the states determine the standards. I would agree with your point that with federal money comes federal standards...but that isn't what is going on right now. Right now it is federal money, federal punishment, but state control over the standards that are to be met in order to avoid federal punishment. A mish-mash that doesn't solve any problems, and, as many states are recognizing, provides a lot of stick and not much carrot (fed funding is about 6% of total budgets for most schools, if I remember correctly). Federal money with Federal standards is something that I could support, especially given your examples...provided the current intellectual midgets in DC don't get to have everyone teach creationism instead of evolution.
Posted by: abjectfunk | Apr 25, 2005 9:09:54 PM
"Because the NEA doesn't like No Child Left Behind and in order to make common cause with conservative NCLB critics they've decreed that liberals should start pretending to believe in federalism? Not for me, sorry. Now maybe you like NCLB less than I do, but bracket that."
Did you *ever* attend a public school Matthew? Public schooling in this country is to be sure massively fucked up, but NCLB is just another step in the wholescale mechanization of k-12 education. As someone who attended both public and private schools growing up, I can say with more than a fair amount of certainty that private schools do not as a rule endeavor to turn kids into sausage (that is, compliant workers and consumers) as public schooling seems determined to do. NCLB is practically the final nail in the coffin of public education as intellectual liberation, subordinating nearly all else to the tyranny of test scores.
Posted by: Robin the Hood | Apr 25, 2005 10:19:00 PM
I am becoming more of a (sincere) Federalist by watching the Bush Admin. in action. I'm somewhat surprised to hear you're not. There are issues that I'd prefer to have out of the hands of the federal government when it is prone to abuse them, and it seems to me the best way to do that is to keep those same issues out of the hands of the federal government even when I trust it.
Posted by: washerdreyer | Apr 25, 2005 10:21:31 PM
Federalization of education just increases our budget deficit an increases bureacracy, without causing the education to get any better.
Let it go and let the states handle it, like they did for the first two hundred years of our nation.
Posted by: Half Sigma | Apr 25, 2005 10:33:27 PM
"Federalism isn't a liberal point of principle."
Gosh, where have you hidden the official creed?
Makes it easier to believe, not living the reality of public school and federal mandates that don't do a damned thing. Those living it are seeing the virtues of federalism and the insanity of top down programs by people who have never lived it and never will.
I'm wondering if limited government is allowed for liberals.
Posted by: razor | Apr 25, 2005 10:38:10 PM
Well, this proves the point that liberals love the weeds. I mean something very broad-brush: If the Democrats were to adopt the position that we should try to spend more on education but pull back from the very blunt instrument of NCLB, would you be alienated from the party as a result, either from the left or from the center? I don't mean, would you have a somewhat different position.
My own position is very different: I'm generally anti-NCLB ("mechanization of education" is a good phrase, above), pro voucher. But there's a lot of room on ed policy for Dems that I'd be comfortable with and so would the NEA.
Maybe I shouldn't have mentioned education at all, because it is the one area where the Bush position is not distinctly right-wing.
Posted by: Mark Schmitt | Apr 25, 2005 10:48:49 PM
I typically enjoy your writing, but can't disagree more. There's a difference between curricular control and financial control. I grieve the inequities of financing from inner city to suburb, and from state to state. This is a real problem for education as it stands today.
However, forking over local control to a national body stinks rotten fish to me. First of all, one of the most important hooks in teaching is local links. A national curriculum would necessarily mandate the time spent on each unit, and I think it would be a shame to restrict my students' learning of the Pilgrims considering that we're 15 miles away from Plymouth, and force that same stuff down the throats of New MExicans who are reasonably more curious about the Westward Expansion stuff we gloss over.
Whenever people talk about nationalizing curricula, my thoughts always go to Quebec, where I lived for six years. The curriculum there is a poltical football, and is unabashedly used by the government to push its own ends. When I left, students were learning a very victimized version in "The History of Quebec and Canada". One of the greatest defenses against the politicization of education is disparate control. Imagine what would happen if Dobson's minions could dictate the curriculum right now. I much prefer the spot battles against troglodytes that suffering under a national indoctrination into ignornace.
Posted by: Ogondai | Apr 25, 2005 10:52:15 PM
Given some set of education standards you do approve of, you want to see them everywhere.
Well, no. There are only a few things that *everyone* has to know for minimum functioning, and these can be taught, but there are many things that *someone* has to know or we're in all trouble. If you create a uniform national curriculum, many things will have to be left out, and *no one* graduating from a US high school will have them. Literature in particular falls into this category- do you really want to divide books into two mutually exclusive categories, books that all children must read, and books that no child has read?
Even if the mandatory stuff isn't very much, it will eventually take all the time in the school year. Even in Texas, which as noted above has very low standards, the stuff on the assessment tests takes all year. Why? Because once there is a number guys like you demand that it improve each year. The way you do this is by spending more time on things that count toward the number, and less on other things. If fact, a teacher is deemed *irresponsible* if they waste time teaching anything not on the test, since they wasted time that could have been spent teaching to the test. And the number must improve each year, because, you know, who could be against improvement? This effect is quite noticeable in Texas, even though we have, as someone noted above, fairly low standards.
If you have to have a national test-based standard (and you don't), it should be (a) low enough that making it isn't much of a struggle unless a school is really shockingly bad, and (b) once the standard is met there should be no reward permitted for improving beyond it. Otherwise, the test material eventually squeezes out everything else. A good way to accomplish (b) would be to simply give schools a "pass" or "fail" with all further information kept suppressed.
Posted by: hf | Apr 25, 2005 11:25:09 PM
"Whenever people talk about nationalizing curricula, my thoughts always go to Quebec, where I lived for six years. The curriculum there is a poltical football, and is unabashedly used by the government to push its own ends."
This is why I think the American left will ultimately warm to the idea of vouchers. The New and Improved GOP has effectively abandoned them for the idea of remaking public schooling their image from on high in Washington. After they decapitate the teacher's unions, replacing guaranteed pay with merit pay, eroding tenure, enshrining abstinence education and other such theocratic nonsense, not to mention NCLB, liberals I predict will respond not by wanting to restore the Old Order, but by wanting to create schools for their own kids that reflect their values with public money (read: vouchers). Liberals will get their own schools, and so will the fundamentalists. That's the future.
Posted by: Robin the Hood | Apr 25, 2005 11:33:15 PM
Two brief things:
Philly is in the process (done for 8th grade, not sure about others) of implementing a core curriculum for the district, largely to help the large number of transient students. It's not perfect; teachers could use more support and training, it's fairly fast-paced (although this year it does actually take the school schedule into account, adjusting for holidays and p-t conferences), and testing has wrecked it's usual havoc (with 8th grade finished with the English/Math tests that determine the school's future, and about to take the English/Math/Science tests that help determine if they go to summer school, we may be seeing social studies again soon!) - but all in all it's not bad. Especially helpful for little new teachers.
That said, a national curriculum doesn't appeal to me, for reasons largely discussed above. A good set of state and national standards - note that utopian "good" - that curriculum is based on, sure, even a greater attempt to get an vague overall grade framework - we really have or are moving towards this: what science did you guys have in 7th grade (if you had science!). But the thought of every 6th grader in the country turning to the same page in the same textbook on the same day - not only are there too many possible good ways to only pick one, this is far to reminiscent of those poor people from It's planet in _A Wrinkle in Time_. (Yes, you could have all 8th graders studying personification the 2nd week in Feb. using different textbooks, etc., but still). Anyway, I think the problem of transient students is except for one exception largely confined to a small area - most kids in Philly are moving from school to school within the district. The big exception is kids of migrant laborers; that's a real issue and perhaps the best argument for it - though not, I think, sufficient - you need a whole 'nother approach.
Posted by: Dan S. | Apr 25, 2005 11:39:34 PM
As a child growing up in a relatively wealthy town in Tennessee, where our old textbooks would go two counties over after we had squeezed most of the life out of them, I felt instinctively that 'local control' means 'fuck the poor'. I'm not saying that there should be no local input on schools--I think we were all forced to learn about our home states sometime during the intermediate grades, and I really do appreciate the random arcane bits of knowledge of Tennessee history I accumulated in fourth grade. But in a country as rich as ours, shouldn't we make it a national priority for every public school to do a reasonably competent job of teaching the subjects it claims to teach? Shouldn't we allocate as much money and labor as possible into improving our schools all across the country? Because, let's face it, much of the Southern ruling class hates true education--they'll tolerate what's neccessary for a competant workforce, but attempt to introduce critical thinking exercises and the school board'll knock down your requests while earmarking funds for the football team.
Posted by: Maureen | Apr 25, 2005 11:42:36 PM
"far to" = "far too"
ugh.
MY - what do you advocate - same topic at all schools, but range of material, or one big echoing - ok class, now turn to p. 237 - rising above the entire country?
Posted by: Dan S. | Apr 25, 2005 11:43:11 PM
There is no reason for Democrats not to claim it. Democrats can become -- or, I should say, they are -- the party of responsible long-term federal budget choices, of sensible progress on health care, of political reform and ethical behavior, of leaving settled social issues as mostly private choices, and of reasonable Justices like Ginsburg and Breyer. Moving beyond Brownstein's list, add responsible stewardship of the environment, and more support but less federal intervention in education.
I can't say that this milquetoast agenda won't be a winner for the Democrats, since as Mark correctly notes, the Republicans have abandoned the center and gone extreme, and so the smart political move is to capture the center.
But its not exactly the 95 theses, is it?
There is an awful lot of "sensible", "reasonable" and "responsible" in this agenda. Not much appeal to the imagination, or any lofty aspirations to capture the heart. Let's see what this piquant platter of pablum has to offer:
"responsible long-term federal budget choices"
Wow, and who says Democrats have lost teen spirit! This will grab a whole new generation of young Democrats as it taps hard into the emerging youth zeitgeist. This meme is could be lifted straight from a hip-hop tune I just heard on MTV: "Be Responsible with my Bitch's Budget Choices Muthafuckers!"
"sensible progress on health care"
Yep, not too much; not too little ... juuuusssst right. And when asked about which particular proposals she prefers, the candidate can respond "Dear me! The sensible ones of course!"
"leaving settled social issues as mostly private choices"
Well, if people are arguing about them they are not settled are they? But I guess that's the genius of this formula - it is infinitely flexible. The social issues the candidate chooses to engage are ipso facto the unsettled ones; the ones he wants to shut up about are the settled ones. And of course since he only wants to leave the settled ones as "mostly" private, that leaves a lot of play for any private/public mix the candidate prefers.
"responsible stewardship of the environment"
Democrats are joining the "stewardship" movement now? Again, a platitudinous formula without any content, since all the action is on the question of which choices are responsible and which one's aren't. But I guess we can use it to run against all those professed advocates of irresponsible despoiling of the environment.
"more support but less federal intervention in education"
Jezz, tone it down will ya?! Now I'm hyperventilating. I can't take all this uber-Democratic excitement. It reminds me of that great speech by Martin Luther King where he called on the federal government not to intervene in education. I think it was called "I Had a Dream .. But Then I Woke Up and Forgot What it Was, So Now I Just Have Some Sensible and Responsible Suggestions."
I can't say Schmitt's Sensibilist Manifesto won't work. After all, since I have no real electoral choices, I know I am sure to go vote for the Democrats myself, in between my cat naps, and so long as I can take time out from my inspiring life of checkbook balancing and responsible stewardship.
As for my MoveOn friends, I'm sure they'll all be on board too, as soon as we change the name of the organization to "MoveBack.org" so we can properly stress that legendary progressive rallying cry: "Return to Normalcy!" Or wasn't that a Republican? Oh well, it doesn't matter - it's all the same undifferentiated crap.
Posted by: Dan Kervick | Apr 26, 2005 12:43:33 AM
PS Matt: I didn't mean to suggest that just because you never attended public schools you aren't entitled to an opinion about education policy, just that man oh man if you spent a little time in da system you might have a different opinion of draconian mandates from on high.
Posted by: Robin the Hood | Apr 26, 2005 12:50:48 AM
Maybe I shouldn't have mentioned education at all, because it is the one area where the Bush position is not distinctly right-wing.
Well, it seems pretty darn right-wing if one views it as part of a larger scheme as, for example Robin the Hood above does. And I think he's more or less correct. This is classic "starve the beast." You consider a program onerous. The majority doesn't. So you deliberately make the program as onerous as possible, to bring people around to your view that it can't possibly be done well. Fundamentally, the Bush position on education is, that public belief in the viability of public education must be destroyed. That's extremely right wing.
Posted by: blegh | Apr 26, 2005 12:55:09 AM
Matt, I don't give a fuck how rich your parents are, you got this one right. Federalism...hmm. Are the haters of moral relativism now saying that its opposite does not require consistency? Besides which, poor people need this to become less poor and more like the other posters.
Posted by: Kiril | Apr 26, 2005 1:31:11 AM
"poor people need this to become less poor and more like the other posters."
Why do poor people deserve NCLB and rich people deserve Andover and Exeter?
Posted by: Robin the Hood | Apr 26, 2005 1:55:41 AM
Well, I would oppose Kansas teaching creationism in public schools, but that's because I oppose all teaching of creationism in public schools. I would also be opposed to the Federal government mandating teaching of creationism in public schools. So what?
Personally, I favor more school choice: whether it's vouchers or choice within the public system, I don't really care. I don't think that it would make schools more "efficient," in the sense of a given choice/voucher school performing better than a given public school, but I do think that allowing parents and kids to decide, "y'know, this school's math and science classes are too slow for you: lets enroll you in the local math/science oriented school!" or "you are really into art, and this school doesn't teach the basic anatomy you want to learn: let's enroll you in the local art-oriented school!" Even if, as a whole, kids don't learn more, I think they'll be happier, and that's good. Kids aren't just future adults: they're people whose welfare and happiness should be considered independently. A single school could also offer everything for all kinds of children, but that would require a very big school, which has social and administrative problems of its own.
I wouldn't support the Federal government trying to create a uniform standard and curriculum for all schools. As I said above, that's exactly what I think we should move away from. I would support the Federal government supplying more resources. Also, I wouldn't support a Federal plan for choice/vouchers: I think locales and states should manage that themselves (for example, for a small town, school choice might not make any sense, since maybe there are only 300 K-12 aged children). Does this qualify as a "more federal support, but less intervention" position?
Posted by: Julian Elson | Apr 26, 2005 2:00:22 AM
"I wouldn't support the Federal government trying to create a uniform standard and curriculum for all schools. As I said above, that's exactly what I think we should move away from. I would support the Federal government supplying more resources."
But, of course, federal money doesn't come with strings attached. It comes with multi-strand, high tensile steel cables attached. Retaining local control, while getting non-local resources, is self-contradictory.
Posted by: Brett Bellmore | Apr 26, 2005 7:23:40 AM
Wow, where to begin!!?
Let's start with the idea that where there's federal money there will be accountability. This is quite obviously not true with the Star Wars budget, and, y'know, I'm just guessing there's a few other porkers out there. So let's amend that statement to say that people without any real power will be held accountable for their failures. Typical modern America, steal from the children but watch out for the real money wasters, they can hurt you.
Now, it's hardly a secret that the real intent of NCLB is to find, in a few years, that the public schools are "failing", and that federal money should be provided to some other form of school- oh, say, a religious school- that won't have to meet NCLB standards. A very smooth switcheroo that should freeze out liberals and professional teachers, who have put their efforts into public schooling.
Yeah, I can see right away how this will 'improve' education- at least, from the viewpoint of people who don't want the public to be able to think.
The simple fact is that our decentralized local control of schools brings education to the people who are most able to do something about it- the parents. If I recall my NEA brainwashing correctly, there are two major predictors of how well a child will read- class size, and how much the parents read. Right or wrong, in my community parents believe this. They volunteer as aides to help the teachers, and generally try to behave as though they think literacy is a desirable goal. Demographically, we are not a liberal elite- we have more unemployment and less money than almost any county in the state.
So when you talk about destroying the public education system you are talking about destroying a major element of our society.
Posted by: serial catowner | Apr 26, 2005 7:38:41 AM
Federalism isn't a liberal point of principle...The federalism critique of the Bush education policy is, perhaps, good politics. If so, then fair enough. But it has no place in liberalism.
Aaarrgghhh!!! Why should liberals be in favor of federalism? Because if you believe that change and progress are generally positive, then you need federalism. If gay marriage or civil unions have any hope of becoming commonplace in the U.S., the process will be for a few states to pass them and then for others to see it turns out not to be a big deal after all. On the other hand, if the only possibility was passing something nationally for the entire country, it'd be a cold day in hell before it happened. And, in fact, supporters have to hope that federal action doesn't completely squelch state experimentation before it has a chance.
You don't want creationism or 'intelligent design' taught in public schools anywhere, and you think a national curriculum would prevent that? Well how sure are you that a national curriculum wouldn't mandate the teaching of 'intelligent design'? After all, surveys show that most Americans don't believe in evolution. If you had a uniform national curriculum that was democratically determined, uniform teaching of 'intelligent design' is exactly what you should expect to get.
Another big thing you're not considering is that a single national school curriculum would mean educational culture wars (which are now mostly state and local) would become very important in national politics--do you think this would be an advantage for liberals or conservatives?
Posted by: mw | Apr 26, 2005 7:49:44 AM
Now, when I did K-12, it was in a district with lots of federal funds and little federal control. From what I can see, my education there was at least as good as Matt's, almost all of us went on to college, and there was a lot of enthusiasm among the students for philosophy, logic, debate, etc, which the teachers shared.
This result was obtained by federal funding for students who had parents employed by or for the federal government, parents who intended for their children to go to college, and professional educators who provided a curriculum that produced students ready and able to go on to higher education.
Having seen this system work very well, I don't believe total control by the federal government is necessary, and having seen the federal government perform so poorly, I don't believe total control would be any virtue.
Posted by: serial catowner | Apr 26, 2005 7:59:59 AM
Because few people seem to be looking down the road on this one, I'll sketch out what will happen if NCLB is allowed to destroy the public schools.
First will come the boodle for private schools as the public schools "fail" the NCLB test. Naturally, taking the money from the public schools and giving it to the private schools will result in enrollment falling in the public schools. At that point the decision will be made to give away the assets of the public schools to the private schools.
And, hey, presto! in just a few years we'll be in the same privatized fix as Ecuador or Peru. But at least the old guys like me won't be paying school levies any more to educate other people's children. One of the cool things about getting old is that disasters in the future don't have the same sting they once did.
Posted by: serial catowner | Apr 26, 2005 8:25:59 AM
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