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From Croatia To Ireland
Via Henry Farrell, Hubert Butler's excellent 1956 essay "The Sub-Prefect Should Have Held His Tongue" about Archbishop Stepinac and the reaction of the Catholic Church in Ireland. Now to be clear, I think we can be reasonably certain that the Tito government's invocation of wartime collaboration as a reason for cracking down on the Catholic Church in Croatia was almost entirely in bad faith. Which is to say that collaboration was a pretext, rather than a reason. Nevertheless, it was there. The essay, and Kieran Healy's post on how rapidly Catholic Ireland's come apart during his lifetime made me realize that I don't really know anything about modern Irish history except what I saw in Michael Collins. Based on Wikipedia's offerings it seems pretty interesting. Does anyone have a recommendation for a general history of, say, 20th Century Ireland?
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Alright, so I might have a _slight_ interest. A good survey text is Modern Ireland, 1600-1972 by Foster.
Beyond that, most of what I can suggest covers events (like the series of revolts that culminated in Irish Independence and the Irish Civil War).
Posted by: Mike Collins | Apr 3, 2005 1:33:28 PM
No, but Flann O'Brien's novels are hilarious. Funniest navelist of the Twentieth Century.
They're all set in Ireland, more or less, but there's no factual material to slow down the plot.
Posted by: John Emerson | Apr 3, 2005 1:38:17 PM
I've been meaning to read that Roy Foster book for a while.
A list of Irish history books - http://books.guardian.co.uk/top10s/top10/0,6109,1042610,00.html
Posted by: DanM | Apr 3, 2005 1:45:27 PM
Try Dermot Keogh "Twentieth Century Ireland: Nation and State." (Keogh also wrote an interesting book on "Jews in Twentieth Century Ireland: Refugees, Anti-Semitism and the Holocaust".)
Posted by: David T | Apr 3, 2005 1:58:09 PM
For 20th century Ireland there's Joe Lee's Ireland, 1912-1985, which is a standard text. It was published to early to address the cataclysm that enveloped the church in the 1990s and the political reassessments that became possible then, too. There's also Ireland, 1798-1998: Politics and War, by Alvin Jackson, which I haven't read. And here's a Top 10 List.
Posted by: Kieran | Apr 3, 2005 2:06:33 PM
For general histories, there's no masterwork, but maybe as an introduction:
Ferriter, The Transformation of Ireland 1900-2000,
or Tim Pat Coogan, Ireland in the Twentieth Century.
For the authoritative book on Irish constitional change, Alan Ward, The Irish Constitutional Tradition.
But you may have a more specific interest in mind?
Posted by: Otto | Apr 3, 2005 2:06:41 PM
It's not a precise response to your query, but let me echo the commenters recommending Roy Foster's Modern Ireland. (Coincidentally, I'm re-reading it at the moment.) Insofar as the 20th c. figures in this work, it is as the reverberation of the centuries preceding it. But it is difficult to think of a better preparation for considering, ehh, somewhat more modern Irish history. And it's a joy to read.
For those who've already built up a solid scaffolding and then gone on to put a bit of meat on it, Foster's The Irish Story is excellent supplement.
Posted by: Mrs Tilton | Apr 3, 2005 2:41:10 PM
"The Green Flag: A History of Irish Nationalism" by Robert Kee (Penguin Books) presents a detailed political history of the Irish Republic's evolution (circa 1800-1920). A necessary precurser to put 20th century Ireland in context.
Also a provocative case study in emerging democracies, particularly relevant to the currently emerging Palestinian state.
Posted by: RPR | Apr 3, 2005 3:29:32 PM
Some in Ireland would argue that Roy Foster was outdated due to his famine revisonist views.
Cormac O'Grada's work on economics of Ireland is rather goo too.
Posted by: Lama | Apr 3, 2005 3:55:53 PM
Lama,
yes; and, similarly, some in Ireland would argue that Gerry Adams's writings have something of value to add to the dialogue on Irish history. Did you have a point here?
Those interested in the famine will find real horror aplenty in Tóibín and Ferriter's The Irish Famine. Those interested in furthering a politically convenient myth of genocide needn't bother researching what actually happened.
Posted by: Mrs Tilton | Apr 3, 2005 4:50:12 PM
If you want an understanding of the modern history of Ireland, with a focus on economics, a interesting analysis has been made by Lars Mjøset. It might be somewhat academic in its focus, but its good. I forget the name of the book, but the name is uncommon.
For a strange and interesting view, from the pespective of agricultural economics, try reading Raymond Crotty´s works on irish development.
Most writers focus on the political history of Ireland, but the economic and institutional development is rather fasinating.
Posted by: Tomas Lauridsen | Apr 3, 2005 5:01:53 PM
I'll second the Foster and Lee recommendations. The former is probably better for someone new to Irish history, but the latter is very good on the development of the Irish state and politics - both are very well written.
Posted by: Henry | Apr 3, 2005 5:31:29 PM
Do you read fiction? If you do, try Thomas Flanagan's "The End of the Hunt," for a very informative novel of the Rising and the Civil War.
Posted by: JR | Apr 3, 2005 9:45:56 PM
PS: For the 18th and 19th centuries, try Flanagan's previous novels, The Year of the French and The Tenants of Time. On the Famine, try My Dream of You, by Nuala O'Faolain.
Posted by: JR | Apr 3, 2005 9:50:51 PM
Did you have a point here?
Some people see Roy Foster's work as being outdated - that was all. I made no value judgement, just raised a point. I personally find his general text book on Ireland to be short on detail on certain key events, which I feel should have been covered in much more detail.
a politically convenient myth of genocide
No one should encourage that. But the famine in Ireland fundamentally changed Ireland, it's population size did not recover. Personally for famine analysis I would go for Cormac O'Grada's Black 47.
Posted by: lama | Apr 4, 2005 5:46:32 AM
Lama,
Perhaps because I am allergic to the neo-Christian Brothers school of MOPEish Irish History, I was over-hasty in reading your comment. Sorry.
Yes, you're right; Foster really does whiz on through the centuries, and big events get, necessarily, summary coverage. But for that very reason, it's a good starting point. Those interested in following up various topics in greater detail will have been given a good rough-and-ready background.
Just as importantly in my view, he writes very well. He has an extremely dry sense of humour that is more to the fore in his essays, but you can see it even in Modern Ireland. It is ironic, perhaps, given Foster's status in the anti-revisionist demonology, that is he who managed to persuade me to modify my views of de Valera. (I still find the man unsympathetic, but take a more nuanced view than I once did.)
I don't think anybody reading Foster could fail to notice that the famine seared a mark on the country. One thing I do like about him, though, is his knack for pointing out disparate threads in the background and showing how they come together. Surely the famine was a major factor explaining why Ireland at the end of the 19th c. was so very different to the Ireland of a century earlier. But just as surely there were other important dynamics at work having nothing to do with the Famine (and, in some cases, having nothing to do with the British). It's useful to be able to see the big picture as well as the details.
Posted by: Mrs Tilton | Apr 4, 2005 8:07:02 AM
Lama,
Perhaps because I am allergic to the neo-Christian Brothers school of MOPEish Irish History, I was over-hasty in reading your comment. Sorry.
Yes, you're right; Foster really does whiz on through the centuries, and big events get, necessarily, summary coverage. But for that very reason, it's a good starting point. Those interested in following up various topics in greater detail will have been given a good rough-and-ready background.
Just as importantly in my view, he writes very well. He has an extremely dry sense of humour that is more to the fore in his essays, but you can see it even in Modern Ireland. It is ironic, perhaps, given Foster's status in the anti-revisionist demonology, that is he who managed to persuade me to modify my views of de Valera. (I still find the man unsympathetic, but take a more nuanced view than I once did.)
I don't think anybody reading Foster could fail to notice that the famine seared a mark on the country. One thing I do like about him, though, is his knack for pointing out disparate threads in the background and showing how they come together. Surely the famine was a major factor explaining why Ireland at the end of the 19th c. was so very different to the Ireland of a century earlier. But just as surely there were other important dynamics at work having nothing to do with the Famine (and, in some cases, having nothing to do with the British). It's useful to be able to see the big picture as well as the details.
Posted by: Mrs Tilton | Apr 4, 2005 8:07:23 AM
I personally prefer Foster's more detailed work, his works on Yeats is awe inspiring and even made me finally understand the man. It seems that he has a great way of making you understand awkward people.
Personally I am probably more of the revisionist line myself but I just found his General text on Ireland to be patchy and rather disappointing.
I am in no way doubting that he is great historian and a rather funny man to boot.
Posted by: Lama | Apr 4, 2005 9:35:03 AM
Let me cast a vote against Thomas Flanagan's novels. I tried, really tried, to read The Year of the French. It's soooo highly praised I felt like a goop for finding it unreadable.
Posted by: Jeffrey Davis | Apr 4, 2005 11:59:41 AM
Not the first book you should probably read, but one whose immediate advantages are that it's very succinct and addresses the specific issues Kieran raised; Tom Garvin's 'Preventing the Future, why Ireland was so poor for so long'.
Tom taught Henry and me politics at UCD and I think he has an extraordinary feel for the personalities, ideas/myths and tribes of all kind that have shaped Irish history in the last 100 years. I don't know how strong this book is on the economics side, not being an economist myself.
Posted by: Maria Farrell | Apr 4, 2005 12:49:30 PM
Just wanted to chip in with another recommendation for Roy Foster, whose lectures were always worth a bit of cross-disciplinary trespass. (The Yeats biography made it even more permissable.)
Posted by: ahem | Apr 4, 2005 3:31:38 PM
"Cormac O'Grada's work on economics of Ireland is rather good too."
Err, but isn't O'Grada also a revisionist on the famine? (i.e. a non-adherent of the MOPE school of thought)
Posted by: Urinated State of America | Apr 4, 2005 3:39:46 PM
Err, but isn't O'Grada also a revisionist on the famine? (i.e. a non-adherent of the MOPE school of thought)
Post-revisonist, I thought. Which supposedly takes the middle ground - or what ever that may be!
I just adore the O'Grada's economic breakdown of the famine and his use and dispute with Amartya Sen's own theory over famine. I don't think he likes to be catorgorised as he is an economic historian afterall!
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